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William Alwyn (b. Northampton, UK, 7 November 1905: d. Southwold, Suffolk, UK, 11 September 1985)
Lyrica Angelica, Concerto for harp and strings (1953/1954)
The score and harp part are for sale
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg63203.htm
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EMS122240 ALWYN, William – Lyra Angelica. – octavo score – AL01189 ca. $15.00
EMS307387 ALWYN, William – Lyra Angelica. – harp (32 pp.) – AL00467 ca. $17.00Dur: 26′
Pub: Alfred Lengnick & Co., now owned by Universal Music Publishing Group
String Orchestra parts rental agent: zinfonia.com https://www.zinfonia.com/default.aspx
“Alwyn’s concerto for harp and string orchestra, Lyra Angelica, was popularized when the American figure skater Michelle Kwan performed to it at the 1998 Winter Olympics.”
Other works with harp by Alwyn:
Eight Irish Folk Tunes – Suite for Flute, Violin, Viola and Harp <1934>
2 Folk Tunes for cello or viola and piano (or harp) <1936>
French Suite (Fanfare, Rondeau, Gavotte, Two Interwoven Tunes:
Les Matelots de L’isle de Cythere, Les Septs Sauts, Menuet I & II, Air de Chasse)
for Flute, Violin, Viola and Harp <1937>
Concerto for Oboe, Harp and string orchestra <1943/1944> oboe and piano ca. $15.25
[recording on Chandos]
Suite for Oboe and Harp (1. Minuet. 2.Valse Miniature. 3.Jig) <1943/1944>
The Cherry Tree Carol (Traditional) for voice and harp <1945>
Crepuscule for Harp Solo <1955> ca. $8.00
Naiades – fantasy sonata for flute & harp <1971> ca. $16.00
[recording on “Taking Flight” by Lyrebird Ensemble]
carl-swanson wrote:
>>Clinton- Did Debussy make the revised score?The publisher Jobert claims the revised edition was made by Debussy.
I have not been able to find that manuscript. Perhaps with your French connections you will come up with a source?>>If so, why did it take 12 years after his death to get it printed?
No idea. Perhaps the preface to the Herlin corrected version of the 1930 would have some information.
I cannot check as I am still trying to get my score back from an orchestra librarian. ☻>>In general terms, what’s the difference between the original version and the revised score? Were there big changes?
There are enough orchestration changes that the original and the revised can not be performed together. The big changes are in the 3rd movement. I know, as a young guest conductor came to The Philadelphia Orchestra with the Jobert 1930/”corrected 1964″ score. https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems149975.htm
Many conductors and libraries bought that score as it was full size. No one realized the parts did not match.
http://www.worldcat.org/title/nocturnes/oclc/56175985&referer=brief_results
When told the original version parts were on the stands, he said that’s “OK”. The rehearsal soon stopped and we had to take a original score to him!
Another time a guest conductor insisted that he wanted to use the Jobert revised score. We worked on matching those parts everyday for three months. At last had to give up, as the mistakes in both the score and parts were just too many. Also there are no choral parts for that publication.
>>And what do most orchestras play today? The original or the revised versions?
Most orchestra will perform from the corrected Kalmus edition ©2005 of the Fromont (later Jobert) original version.
[There have been earlier Kalmus reprints that are not corrected and are now POP]
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg20167.htm
Large Full score $70.00 set of parts $350.00
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems333970.htm
Octavo study score $26.95Buying and keeping a set for future performances is cheaper on the budget than renting the corrected revised Durand/ Boosey edition. The Denis Herlin is an excellent publication of the 1930 revised edition ©2000. I have only a two page chart of comments (created in 2012) about that publication. The parts are computer engraved–they look terrific, have mistakes corrected, etc. but they are on rental only.
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems197901.htm
Full Score $183.00 Orchestra parts on rental.We need to find the engravers copy of the original and the manuscript/engravers copy of the revised to solve this question.
There has never been a good choral score with piano for the original, so I had one created.
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems267115.htm
[This does not fit with the revised edition choral score which are for sale, but have no piano accompaniment.]Debussy: Trois Nocturnes ( L 91 )
(Original version, 1899) From the 2005 corrected publication preface:
This chart is a listing of major differences between the 1900 printed score and the 1900 printed parts. All mention of “score and parts” refer to the composition originally written in 1897 – 1899 and published in 1900 – 1901. The 2005 publication takes into account all of Debussy’s corrections which are in the public domain (i.e. all of the changes up to but not including the 1930 revised edition).The fair copy of the orginial manuscript at BnF is not the engraving copy. Debussy must have made changes when proofing, as the printed Durand score has different notation in some measures.
Chart snip for the Harp questions:
Mvt. 1, Reh. 7, meas. 1; In Debussy’s manuscript score, the Flute and Harp play in unison.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b550010431.r=Debussy%20Nocturnes?rk=171674;4
http://ks.imslp.net/files/imglnks/usimg/0/05/IMSLP410848-PMLP04968-Nocturnes.pdf
Original printed Score: no 8ba is notated. Part: An 8ba is notated to Reh. 8 meas. 3.
The 8ba is also printed in the revised edition score.
This passage is traditionally played in flats, an octave lower than the Flute, as indicated by the flat pedal markings in the original print score.
The 2005 edition part has the music printed as an “ossia” in flats at the pitch starting on 2nd line Gb (Gb4).Mvt. 1, Reh. 8, meas. 1. In Debussy’s manuscript score, the Flute and Harp continue to play in unison.
There are no harmonics notated.
In the printed score of the original edition the harmonics are notated to be played an octave lower that written. The first sounding pitch is Eb treble clef 1st line (Eb4), still an octave below the Flute D#(D#4). (The pitches showing are the actual sounding pitches.)
In the revised printed score, there are harmonics but the 8ba is missing.Mvt. 3, Reh. 4, meas.1; For the gliss at measure 7. Score: accrochez (set) for descending gliss. en remontant (re-ascending) for ascending gliss. Part: en descendant and en mountant.
Set: D#, Cb, Bnat | Eb, Fnat, G#, Ab. Change to E# and Db to ascend and back to Eb and D# to descend.
Mvt. 3, Reh. 4, meas. 8, beat 4; Manuscript score and Part: written as a repeat sign which would indicate that an ascending gliss line continues on beat 4 exactly like measure 3. | [Muffle]
Original Printed Score: the gliss. is missing at Reh. 4, meas. 8, beat 4Mvt. 3, Reh. 10, meas. 1 to 8; The manuscript score has mf for measure 1, then repeat signs.
The original print score has dynamics that match the other instruments. mf on beat 1. p on beat 3. | measure 2 p for the whole measure. | Measure 3 mf on beat 1. p on beat 3. | Measure 4 p sempre to measure 8.
[The Eulenburg revised edition score is missing the Measure 3 mf on beat 1. p on beat 3]Debussy’s Nocturnes revised edition, not published until 1930, has a different orchestration, especially in the harps and chorus part. Combining the original and revised editions will STOP a rehearsal.
[If a conductor tries to use the Jobert 1930/1964 score, suggest hiring another conductor, as those parts do not match that score at all.]http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k11621535/f18.image.r=Debussy%20Nocturnes
http://imslp.eu/linkhandler.php?path=/imglnks/euimg/5/53/IMSLP419438-SIBLEY1802.30697.b039-39087009438930score.pdf
The revised corrected Herlin edition score is for sale $183.00, the parts on rental from Durand/Boosey.Corrected original 1899 publication score and parts for sale:
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg20167.htm
EMS284366 DEBUSSY, Claude (1862-1918) – Nocturnes (Nuages, Fetes, Sirenes) (original version,1899) (Nieweg). EDWIN F. KALMUS – extra harp 1 – A3070 $9.00
EMS284367 DEBUSSY, Claude (1862-1918) – Nocturnes (Nuages, Fetes, Sirenes) (original version,1899) (Nieweg). EDWIN F. KALMUS – extra harp 2 – A3070 $9.00I have been notified that Harp parts published by Edwin F. Kalmus after 5 May 2017 have this engraving mistake corrected. Thanks to Elizabeth for the alert.
Keep them coming.All orchestra parts are always available for Edwin F. Kalmus publications. Use the EMS code numbers and add Harp I or Harp II. As Carl correctly said the work is rarely performed so the parts may have to be printed to order. It is best to call EMS as they often can tell the status of any piece of music.
I find that for orchestra, band and choral music EMS using their huge database has the fastest service. For harp solos and methods use one of the harp music dealers.MusikFind1
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DEBUSSY, Claude (1862-1918) – Damoiselle Elue (Blessed Damozel) (F). EDWIN F. KALMUS – harp 1 – A2590 $4.00DEBUSSY, Claude (1862-1918) – Damoiselle Elue (Blessed Damozel) (F). EDWIN F. KALMUS – harp 2 – A2590 $4.00 Plus postage. Order from EMS with credit card and have the music shipped directly to you by next day service.
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Details from Daniels Orchestral Music Online:
VIOLA Concerto, [original version]
<1928–1929; rev 1961>
27′
3[1.2.pic] 3[1.2.Eh] 3[1.2.bcl] 3[1.2.cbn] — 4 3 3 1 — tmp — str
Original 1929 version. The 1930 piano reduction used a version of the solo part by Lionel Tertis, which diverged from Walton’s original. A 1938 reduction, approved by Walton, used phrasings, articulations and bowings by Frederick Riddle, and corresponded to Riddle’s 1937 recording.
I. Andante comodo 9′
II. Vivo; con molto preciso 5′
III. Allegro moderato 13′
Pub: Oxford
Concerto, Viola [1961 revision] <1928–1929; rev 1961>
27′
2[1.2/pic] 2[1.Eh] 2[1.2/bcl] 2 — 4 2 3 0 — tmp — hp — str
Revised in 1961. Through a mixup between the publisher and the composer, this edition is based on the Lionel Tertis version of the solo part with additional changes by Walton, rather than the Frederick Riddle solo part which Walton actually preferred. Scores and parts for this version have been withdrawn.
<I. Andante comodo 9′
II. Vivo; con molto preciso 5′
III. Allegro moderato 13′
Not Available
Concerto, Viola [definitive version] <1928–1929; rev 1961>
27′
2[1.2/pic] 2[1.Eh] 2[1.2/bcl] 2 — 4 2 3 0 — tmp — hp — str
The new Walton Edition of this work brings together for the first time the revised (1961) orchestration and the Frederick Riddle version of the solo part from 1937. This is believed to represent the composer’s intention, though he also allowed for the possibility of performances of the original version.
I. Andante comodo 9′
II. Vivo; con molto preciso 5′
III. Allegro moderato 13′
Pub: OxfordGC How do you deal with music that is out-of-print and not available publicly by any means but still under copyright? I am sure in your career this must have come up as an issue.
CF: There is no legal way to obtain a work that is POP and still under copyright. The person/organization that owns the original printed copy may make copies for their own use but not for the use of others. Only by breaking this rule can another person obtain a copy, and on POP music that is done all the time. I do not know of any case where a publisher tried to enforce this rule. Have someone send you the original and then you make the copy. Do not post POP music on any public website as then the publisher can bring about a cease and desist letter.GC I am not trying to break the law, be disrespectful to a composer, or simply be too cheap to buy the music, but sometimes this type situation causes a dilemma about performing the music or having it disappear from the harp repertoire.
CF: If J.W. Pepper Texas cannot sell the set, then check on WorldCat where you might be able to borrow a copy from a library. There are 8 libraries that have cataloged the arrangement by Robert Bridge (b.1957-d.2009) http://blog.chron.com/artsinhouston/2009/12/robert-bridges-1957-2009/GC “No one can wait 70 years after the death of the composer for the music to get into the public domain.”
CF: U.S. copyright law does not use the Death + 70 law. That is for the EU. In the U.S the basic law is (with many exceptions) “any work published after 1923” is under copyright.
For this arrangement, the law is date of publication + 96 years = public domain. About 2104!RBC Publications/J.W. Pepper South Texas
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http://www.rbcmusic.com/RBCpubcb.htm<The Prokofiev is not listed on the website, probably due to the change in the U.S copyright law regarding Russian composers. Even though it might be POP, the arrangement is still under copyright. Posting the music on IMSLP would not be legal. Contact J.W. Pepper to be sure of the status.
Score and parts are for sale in the U.S., Canada, China, Japan, Korea. Exact reprint of the Enoch publication. No corrections or changes have been made to this reprint.
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg26170.htm
ENESCO, Georges (1881-1955) – Symphony in E-flat, Op. 13. Pub. EDWIN F. KALMUS
EMS191878 extra Harp I and II – A5762 $12.50
Under copyright in the EU. Parts on rental from ENOCH & CIE .
The Kreisler works for violin and orchestra are PD as there were written before 1923. The composer death date is not considered in U.S. copyright law. EMS lists 15 titles for sale in the Kalmus orchestra editions.
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Click on the titles to see if the instrumentation includes harp or possibly use the original piano parts.The Butterfly Lovers’ Violin Concerto was written in 1959 by two Chinese composers, He Zhanhao (born 1933) and Chen Gang (born 1935). Both are alive and the work is under Copyright Worldwide.
The score is for sale while the parts are on rental from HNH International Ltd. /Naxos. The only legal parts can be rented by the orchestra librarian from: HNH International Limited (Naxos’ parent company) and Universal Music Publishing who are the legitimate joint publisher of this work. Any enquires on this composition should be sent to the following address and email address:
Artaria Editions/ HNH International Ltd/ Naxos Digital Services Ltd.Level 11, Cyberport 1, 100 Cyberport Road, Hong Kong
Mail: info@naxos.com.hk
Website: http://www.naxos.com.hkButterfly Lovers Violin Concerto by He Zhanhao, born in Hajiasham village, Zhuji, Zhejiang province, August 29, 1933 and Chen Gang, b. Shanghai, 10 March, 1935.
Composition written [1959]
Chinese Title= Liang Zhu Xiao Ti Qin Xie Zou Qu) [also listed as Liang Shan-Bo and Zhu Ying-Tai]
Instrumentation: Solo Violin — 2-2-2-2 — 4-2-3-0 — tmp, 3 perc (Gu Ban, Cym, Tam-tam) — hp, pno — str.
[The parts posted on IMSLP are being research for any copyright violation]
From Johnson String Instruments: https://www.johnsonstring.com/catalog/sheet-music-and-books
Butterfly Lovers Concerto; He/Chen; Violin/Piano; (the publication notes are in Chinese). The violin part and the piano part are both computer engraved. $20.00
https://www.johnsonstring.com/cgi-bin/music/scripts/vvc-f.cgi?search=Butterfly&author=CHHE&f=author
Butterfly Lovers Concerto; He/Chen; Study Score; out of stock, on import only $40.00 [price subject to change]
This concerto is now often performed with Chinese instruments playing the violin solo part, the most common being Erhu, Pipa and Liuqin. The orchestration is different for those solo instruments.Use the search feature on the Kalmus web site to see parts that are in the Public Domain.
2,145 complete operas, excerpts and overtures are listed.
Instrumentation can be checked to see those that have harp.
These parts should be ordered from your harp dealer.As in all music reprints that have not been edited, the material will contain mistakes made by the original engraver.
Kalmus reprints exactly what the original publisher created.http://www.efkalmus.com/
Click on Search Catalog.
Under Genre, add Opera to the search box.
<http://www.efkalmus.com/kalorchsearch_process.php>Works can also be searched by Composer and/or Title.
When an opera is under copyright ask the orchestra librarian to order the harp part in advance of the order date for the rest of the orchestra material. Rental publishers accept orders only from librarians, conductors and administrators.
Schott has advised that the Lyra Music Edition reprint of the harp part was not legal and has been taken out of print.
Schott did give permission for the 2nd movement to be included in
Konhauser/Storck, Test Pieces for Orchestral Auditions $29.95
“Symphony in Three Movements 2nd movement (Stravinsky)”
Order from your harp music dealer.Sorry Elizabeth, but the AFM, as a labor union that represents professional musicians, has no control over publishers or what music is made available.
