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    For the first performance of Debussy Sonata (december 10, 1916), it was
    with Albert Manouvrier (fl), Darius Milhaud (alto), and Jeanne Dalliès
    (chrom. hpe).
    It was not really a concert, but the first audition, in the house of Jacques Durand (his editor).
    Debussy
    didn’t like a lot this Pleyel harp, but Jeanne Dalliès was not so bad
    for him, as we can read it on this letter for Jacques Durand, December
    14, 1916 : “Vous
    m’avez écrit des choses charmantes sur la Sonate pour Fl, Alt et Harpe. Seulement l’expérience n’est pas complète, à cause
    de la harpe chromatique qui n’a jamais le poids sonore de la harpe à pédale,
    mais qui trouve le moyen d’être lourde. Pourtant Mademoiselle en joue aussi
    bien que possible.” — sorry, I can not translate…

    Pierre Jamet
    was the first performer to play on pedal harp, just one year after, and
    he write to Jacques Durand (letter of Mars 22, 1917) that he prefers
    really Erard harp : “J’ai
    pu constater une fois de plus la supériorité de la harpe à pédales sur
    la harpe
    chromatique qui, si j’ose m’exprimer ainsi, n’enveloppe rien, et rend
    les
    dĂ©licieux son harmoniques, pareils Ă  un tambour voilĂ©”

    I’ve
    seen the manuscrit of the sonate, it’s not glissando, but arpeggios,
    exactly the same than in the edited

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    carl-swanson
    Participant

    de la harpe chromatique qui n’a jamais le poids sonore de la harpe Ă  pĂ©dale, mais qui trouve le moyen d’être lourde. Pourtant Mademoiselle en joue aussi bien que possible.”

    Translation: “You wrote charming things to me about the Sonate for Flute, Viola, and Harp. Unfortunately the experience is not complete, due to the chromatique harp which never has the acoustic weight of the pedal harp, which finds the means to have more weight. Although Mademoiselle(Dallies) played it as well as possible.”

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    “J’ai pu constater une fois de plus la supĂ©rioritĂ© de la harpe Ă  pĂ©dales sur la harpe chromatique qui, si j’ose m’exprimer ainsi, n’enveloppe rien, et rend les dĂ©licieux son harmoniques, pareils Ă  un tambour voilĂ©”

    Translation: “I can tell you one more time of the superiority of the pedal harp over the Chromatique harp which, if I dare say, surrounds nothing, and reduces the delicious harmonic sounds to that of a covered drum.”

    #148450

    Thanks Carl !

    #148451

    Carl, that’s exactly why Salzedo called it an aeolian flux, not a glissando, because it is not just a slide up and down. You have to sound each individual note clearly and evenly, and blend each note and shape and contour the whole. It is definitely not easy. That’s why Scintillation is much harder than it may look. It is also quite hard to make the change in dynamics and pedals in the middle of the passage, so I don’t think it is an easy out option at all. I do like the intricacy of the original, though, and have only performed it that way, so far.

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