Renie’s Legende-Pedal NIGHTMARE

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    Ian McVoy on #156913


    unknown-user on #156914

    Okay, here’s how I did it:

    assuming your pedals at the beginning

    vince-pierce on #156915

    Sam, I love your pedal diagram! I never would have thought of that. That’s definitely a great tool for communicating with other harpists, especially when you’re going to perform with someone who lives far away. Thanks!


    unknown-user on #156916

    Thanks Vince, I actually got the idea from some old Russian/Eastern European editions that use the traditional pedal diagram (when printing, not personal notes) except that the symbol used in each position was different… and so it looked something like…

    unknown-user on #156917

    BTW, Ian, I just watched a video of Hannah Kuipers, who just competed in the USA competition, playing Legende. At the part you mentioned she had a bit of trouble, but it appears to me that she did as the music instructed – moving both the D and B pedals to natural simultaneously, which you do by switching the B pedal with your right foot. That’s tricky, though, and risky during a performance (especially in a competition, if you’re going for Israel or the next AHS Young Proffesional division!) so I’d use

    alice-freeman on #156918

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    Ian McVoy on #156919


    unknown-user on #156920

    Nevermind about the second thing I said (about moving D and B simultaneously) – it was just a thin connection I made because I remembered seeing an indication to move the D and B pedals simultaneously in the music AND I thought I saw a video of someone doing this. (although you can’t quite see her legs or feet) After looking at it some more, it doesn’t appear that moving D and B simultaneously is possible/helps. Just use my first suggestions, which does work.

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    barbara-brundage on #156921

    Ian, you might also be interested in this thread about harp notation with finale:

    antoine-malette-chenier on #156922

    Hi Sam,

    I actually move the B and D together, and I have never missed it, but here is the only way it works for me:

    -On the second eight-note, put the B up to flat, to be able to;
    – press down to natural the B and D, but holding them (not locking the pedals)on the 3rd eight-note and then;
    – Release the B and D to flat while releasing the G to flat with the right foot.

    I’m definitely going to try your setting, though, thank you for the advice!

    Saul Davis Zlatkovski on #156923

    I don’t know this well, but I would say, play something with much harder pedaling, and it will seem easier. Renie had to have a way to do it, so keep trying. Sometimes it is a question of timing, moving a pedal slightly early or late.

    unknown-user on #156924

    I’m intrigued by your comment, “play something with much harder pedaling, and it will seem easier.” Do you mean that this section will feel easier after the player has played some other piece that is more difficult for pedals, or that the most difficult pedals end up seeming easy after awhile? Something else perhaps?

    I do wonder how Renie did it. I’m sure someone like Susann McDonald would know. Maybe someone should ask her… The music does indicate moving Si and Re simultaneously, so one would think that that’s the way Renie did it. You have to have reasonably sized feet to do it very comfortably, though. Antoine’s pedaling is actually a lot simpler than mine, and it’s a relatively easy to do. The double pedal really is not trouble if you do not lock the pedals. However, it is slightly destabilizing, especially since you have to move a pedal with your right foot as well. Either way definitely works, though. I’m personally not going to change it now, just because I’ve played the piece for so long, and I’m used to the extra pedals. I think that both ways could be presented to the student for equal consideration.

    My solution really doesn’t require any nuance in the timing – it’s straight forward and simple, though it can feel like you’re dancing a bit!


    carl-swanson on #156925

    Remember that Renie was playing an Erard harp, which has pedals that are light as air. They have almost no resistance to them at all.

    unknown-user on #156926

    Yes, that’s a good point. However, I found that the awkward position that I had to twist my foot was the action that was so destabilizing, not necessarily the actual pressing down of the pedals. That might just be the way my body is, though.


    carl-swanson on #156927

    Sam- Renie was TINY. perhaps no more than 5 feet tall. So that may have made it easier for her to do some of these things. In her printed version of the pedal nightmare in the Danses she also has the right foot pressing the E and G pedals simultaneously.

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