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November 22, 2011 at 11:22 pm #146902carl-swansonParticipant
I just got an email from a very well known European harpist who asked me for information about Salzedo’s obsession with the number 5. I think he is writing jacket notes for a new CD and wants to say something about this. But I don’t know what the answer is. Does anyone out there know the origin of this?
November 22, 2011 at 11:26 pm #146903catherine-rogersParticipantI believe it’s from his Basque heritage and their frequent use of 5 beat music patterns. Somebody correct me if that’s wrong.
November 22, 2011 at 11:58 pm #146904tony-moroscoParticipantThis is probably something that Saul would probably be most likely to know. He wrote the introduction to Pentacle, which focused on the five aspects of Salzedo’s life. I kind of always assumed it was just a natural thing with Salzedo that things seemed to go into fives with him.
November 23, 2011 at 2:06 am #146905unknown-userParticipantSalzedo’s mother died when he was very young (I’m pretty sure he was five, actually). In order to help out in general (and specifically with little Salzedo), Salzedo senior hired a Basque woman. Salzedo came to love this woman very much, and liked to think of himself as Basque because of it, despite the fact that he is not Basque at all. One of the traditional forms in Basque music, the Zortzico, a dance in five.
~Sam
November 23, 2011 at 3:51 am #146906kent-vogelParticipantMay I state, very intrigueing and mysterious! Dave Brubeck made his whole career on five.,(sorry)
November 23, 2011 at 5:01 pm #146907jessica-wolffParticipantI think of all those Greek songs in 5/8, 7/8 and 9/8.
November 23, 2011 at 8:12 pm #146908Christian FrederickParticipant…interesting thread. So, kind of similar many of us are attracted to a certain number, especially with music. As I’ve matured as a musician, I’m always looking for and focused on “9”. I’m always looking for a place to put a 9th in the harmony, even without the 7th…. very often a 9th off in space….
November 24, 2011 at 12:20 am #146909unknown-userParticipantJessica,
Basque country is a portion of northern Spain and southern France, not Greece. They speak their own language, which is not related to any other known language.~Sam
November 24, 2011 at 2:09 am #146910carl-swansonParticipantSalzedo may have come from the Basque area of France, but he was Jewish. Are there Basque Jews?
November 24, 2011 at 3:58 am #146911David IceParticipantI don’t know the origin, but Salzedo’s monogram,CS, looks like a five.
November 25, 2011 at 4:41 am #146912Saul Davis ZlatkovskiParticipantThe Basques are a distinct ethnic group with a unique language. I don’t know what their religion would be, but it would not be Jewish. Salzedo’s family were Spanish and Portuguese Jews who moved to southern France to escape the Inquisition. The families are Salzedo and Silva, both distinguished names with long histories. While he had a mystical identification with the number five, the origin is unknown to me. He certainly may have adopted Basque culture quite naturally from his nanny. Losing his mother so young had to have had quite an impact on his life. I think that using the 5/4 meter, however natural to him, was another way to be a distinctive, modern composer, as no other composer used it so frequently or so well. Salzedo is the only composer I have seen whose 5/4 cannot be divided into groups of 2 and 3. It is whole, like the prime number it is.
How extraordinary it is to be so close in life to a composer as to have first-hand information on how to play his music. Imagine how pianists hunger to have that on Chopin. I would like to know which European harpists have a sufficient background, aside from those who trained extensively here. For some reason, few Salzedo-trained harpists ever lived in Europe, except for the years Alice Giles spent in Germany, and two students of Lucile Lawrence I know of who live there.
November 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm #146913Jessica AParticipantIt’s called OCD, but that doesn’t answer why he settled on #5.
November 25, 2011 at 4:47 pm #146914jessica-wolffParticipantWell, duh! I did not mean to suggest that Basques were Greek. I have traveled in the Basque country and in Greece.
November 26, 2011 at 2:47 am #146915Gretchen CoverParticipantBy coincidence, I was searching through music and found an article about Carlos Salzedo written in 2003 by Dewey Owens
November 28, 2011 at 4:38 pm #146916Saul Davis ZlatkovskiParticipantYes, the design is all in fives, though recent models are slightly altered.
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