Glinka

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    Saul Davis Zlatkovski on #148924

    I have questions for our Russian friends about Glinka’s Variations on a theme of Mozart. The online collections I have searched, which include a Russian site, do not include the standard set of Variations. They only have a score for piano with three variations, omitting the one with harmonics and the following nocturne-style variation. I know an online collection is not complete, and maybe the library has his complete works. It would appear that a harpist transcribed the piece and added the two variations, which are in a somewhat later style, and simplified the theme and

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    Tacye on #148925

    I would be interested to hear if there is more knformation known by Russian players, but what I remember from researching the two variations a while ago is that
    the original was lost and his sister wrote it out from memory.

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    barbara-brundage on #148926

    The Mozart variations were an early work, one which was destroyed in a house fire many years after they were first written. They were reconstructed from the formidable musical memory of Glinka’s sister, Lyudmilla Shestakova. Nobody really knows if she tinkered with them at all, but both versions (the shorter one preferred by pianists and the longer one played by pedal harpists) were both in print in the composer’s lifetime.

    I’ve never been able to find out for sure about which came first.

    Incidentally, Glinka died in 1857, not 1828.

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    barbara-brundage on #148927

    >the two versions were published in 1854 and 1856 respectively

    Tacye, do you know which was published first?

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    Tacye on #148928

    I don’t know, but I surmise the longer version came first as the shorter one is called the second both in my edition of the two together, and in copies I have seen which only have the shorter version.

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    barbara-brundage on #148929

    It’s also very interesting to me that most pianists interpret the entire piece in a totally different way from the usual harp interpretation. For those who are interested, this is Victor Ryabchikov, from his encyclopedic recording of Glinka’s piano works, on youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5llvoTFdD0

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    barbara-brundage on #148930

    Thanks. Yes, it’s listed as second in Grove’s, too, but that doesn’t always mean it was the second to be published.

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    Tacye on #148931

    Supporting evidence for the 2nd version being published in 1856:
    http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/F6LFMHR4DGM9R61PULX9BLPG5ECY9NSIR99PS6XIFRY21TB17A-34605?func=full-set-set&set_number=129041&set_entry=000007&format=999

    The 1854 date is still from one unsupported source.

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    barbara-brundage on #148932

    Thanks Tacye!

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    mr-s on #148933

    Hello freinds, let me tell you that in Russia and in general harpists play the first version of the variations by Glinka, if you search for the score in Russia you will find tow pieces in one publication first the Variations and the second piece is the Nocturne , the variations we have in 2 versions and the 2nd version is more difficult than the first and if you have a chance to get the CD of the great Tatiana Tower or Irina Donskaia they play the 2nd version, but in the tow versions the variations 3 and 4 are the same, and i heard a record of this variations played by Catherine Michel, its different from what they play in Russia,did you heard of the Glinka Siptet (Anna Bolein) for 7 instruments only in Russia play it, the harp part written very beautifully.

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    barbara-brundage on #148934

    Hi, Mr. S. The Russian edition you mention (with the second version as a cue line and also including the Nocturne) was also the standard version in the west for many years–it was available from Salvi as one of their publications. I don’t know if it still is or not.

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    Saul Davis Zlatkovski on #148935

    The septet is hard to find, it may only be in the complete works of Glinka here, and hard to get that kind of ensemble together. Please designate more clearly which version one is discussing. The copy that I most recently found has the dates 1822-1827 on it.

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    barbara-brundage on #148936

    She was known as a very fine pianist, primarily. Of course, during that period it’s not at all impossible that she had harp lessons as well as piano lessons as a child.

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