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  • #87722
    unknown-user
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    Hello everybody! Well this is my firs time on the site and the forum.

    But unlike moast of you on this forum i don’t play harp. I’m (just??? 🙂 trying to understand the way that harp work ,play and then compose for her… i try to compose for the harp several times but not with

    #87723
    unknown-user
    Participant

    Hi Danilo,

    What a terrific post! I’m glad to hear from a composer that wants to write for harp!

    There is a

    #87724
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Danilo- Barvo to you for recognizing that what you wrote was in fact for piano and not harp. Most composers never get that.

    There are other threads on this site about the issue of writing for the harp. There are some books out there that try to explain (quite well) how to write for the harp. But I still maintain that taking harp lessons for maybe 6 months will teach you much more about what works and sounds good on the harp than any amount of reading. You don’t have to become a virtuoso yourself. You just have to know how to play well enough to think like a harpist and not a pianist. Good luck.

    #87725
    tony-morosco
    Member

    I agree with Carl that taking some lessons yourself is the best way.

    However, if that isn’t possible then I would suggest that you find a harpist to play the things you write during the writing process so that you can hear how it actually sounds and refine or redo parts that don’t work.

    I had brunch the other day with a guy who composes for TV and movies and he said that when he was in school one of the students in his composition class was a harpist and she did a demonstration on the harp to show how it differed from piano which he found enlightening. He said he keeps contact information for many different musicians, including a harpist, so that he can call them with questions and to send them things he has written so they can play them for him to be sure they sound the way he wants.

    I think a lot is just a matter of familiarity with how things sound on the harp. I think a good idea would be to listen to recording while looking at the score to the music so you can see how what appears on the page translates to how it sounds on the harp. Also it might be an interesting exercise to take some harp scores and play them on piano so see how harp music sounds on piano.

    I don’t have a lot of education in music theory and arranging. Some, but not a lot. Most of what I learned was a combination of books and trying things. I started to understand the differences when I tried to take some piano arrangements and play them on the harp. You can do it, and it can even sound alright, but you will not be taking advantage of those qualities of the harp that make it a unique

    #87726
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Tony- That’s great advice. I think, maybe in addition to taking some lessons, having a harpist play what you’ve written and tell you why it’s either unplayable or ineffective or both is a great education in how to write for the harp. I was just relieved that Danilo was aware that she had in fact written a piano part instead of a harp part. That’s what most composers do, without realizing it of course.

    #87727
    unknown-user
    Participant

    Well, I’ll play (Tasmanian) devils advocate here and say that I’m not so sure about the necessity of playing harp to write for it…I think in only 6 months or so you would only grasp the fundamentals and that may help but it also may limit your perception of what the instrument capable of…

    Mahler did not play harp, neither did Ravel…and they wrote wonderful inspired music for the instrument. And there are plenty of harpists that write plodding trash! They are two different skills.

    Some basic understanding is good, but the best way is (as Tony

    #87728
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    I think the biggest reason to take lessons for a few months is to change the thinking of the composer and get him/her to understand that it’s not the same as piano. I don’t think one has to be a virtuoso to understand some basic concepts about the harp. Ravel was a terrible pianist, but he wrote dazzling music for the piano. I think that the harp had a place of prominence in French music of Debussy’s and Ravel’s day and so they were quite aware of what the instrument could do. Both of them must have known Hasselmans and many of his extraordinary students, and that gave them a huge advantage. The problem today is that many composers don’t play any instrument. I suspect that many other instrumentalists(oboists, ‘cellists, etc.) have the same complaints about contemporary music as we do.

    #87729
    unknown-user
    Participant

    First of all i am sorry for the delay…. and now

    Thank you all!!! You really write a lot of facts and usefull informatons…
    So let me say something about me so that you get a idea …

    As you can know my name is Danilo and that is a male name:))) becouse i read a sentance like this above
    “that Danilo was aware that she had in fact written….” it is a he not a she:)

    Well am from Serbia, a country in eastern Europe. Now i am 20 years old. A young

    composer

    #87730
    unknown-user
    Participant

    The ??? are mistakes while posting the reply.. .I don’t know why …

    #87731
    unknown-user
    Participant

    Hi Danilo,

    Serbia! Where I went to school about one quarter of the school were from Serbia! I went to school in a very multicultural city, Melbourne in Victoria, Australia. I bet you have relatives there somewhere!

    You need to get hold of a harpist in your part of the world, to work with you – play your music to you and you can see them play it and talk with you about different options…that would be the best solution.

    But it

    #87732
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Danilo- There are many great composers who could not play the music they wrote for piano. Schubert and Ravel were both horrible pianists, but they understood how the hands worked on the piano and wrote gorgeous, and playable music for that instrument. I think that if you took some harp lessons, it would give you a concept of how the hands work on the instrument and also how the instrument resonates. You would then have to force yourself to forget(consciously) the physical aspects of playing the harp and just write what you hear in your head. The difference now is that you would be much more likely to hear in your head how the harp really resonates, and not just write piano music.

    #87733
    unknown-user
    Participant

    …or listen to lots of great harp music, and find a harpist pal to play for you. I personally do not think it necessary for a composer to be able to play each instrument he writes for. But think it depends on the composer himself and if he actually wants to learn harp or not. As if that is not their inclination, I’m not sure it would be as useful as one may imagine.

    I also am concerned that if

    #87734
    unknown-user
    Participant

    Thank you all …
    Ok here we go this is my 3. try to write for harp… I will post new thread so comments go on the new post….

    The harp piece No.3
    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=623096

    on this site there are some very old songs of mine but they are not worth of some big attention…

    PS: If you want to download the song just use this user

    mail : vojnov@freemail.sk

    #87735
    unknown-user
    Participant

    correction

    mail : vojnov@freemail.sk
    pass: visitor

    #87736
    unknown-user
    Participant

    Acctualy i have aunt in the Australia:)

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