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January 15, 2014 at 3:36 am #77948
christine-weatherford
ParticipantI am considering a pickup for my pedal harp. I only know of the Dusty Strings P30 and Fishman Pickups. At this point I am leaning towards the DS P30, but I would love some feedback from anyone on either of these pickups.
Thank you so much!!!
Christine~~January 15, 2014 at 9:20 am #77949Marco Hilgeman
MemberHi Christine,
I can’t tell you much about the Fishman because I never heard it, but I have a Dusty Strings installed in my lever harp and it sounds really good, considering it is only a single output. This is the lever harp pickup (DS makes two types, for lever and pedal harp), the only difference with the pedal version is that the 4 piezo pickups attached to the inside of the soundboard are slightly smaller than the pedal version. The sound characteristics should be the same, that’s what they suggest in their PDF flyer, also to be found on the site of a Dutch harp shop where I bought the harp and pickup…check out the link:
http://www.zingendesnaar.nl/pdf/Harp_Pickup_Flyer_Jan_2013.pdf
So the pedal harp version must have the same quality as the lever version, which has a balanced sound with deep lows and clear highs. But it can also be a bit (too) ‘middy’. I guess this also depends on the characteristics of the harp acoustically…plus the frequency range of the strings that are usually played most (say 2nd to 5th octave) are in the mid, low-mid and high-mid/high regions. When amplified, you can also adjust this a bit by tweaking the EQ settings on the amp.
Of course I use my pickup to amplify the harp but I also connect it to a pedal board with guitar effects such as chorus and reverb. On stage I usually play with a band, which in my case means instruments such as drums and percussion; in this setting it can sometimes be hard to compete with the volumes of the other instruments. I use monitors on stage (not a guitar amp) and the harp has to be cranked up quite loud to compete with the rest…that’s when feedback problems can occur. It also depends on the sound technician, but this DS pickup does have its limitations to which level it can be amplified, otherwise it starts to feedback.
But I don’t know in what setting you will use your harp, so this might not be an issue for you at all if you perform on your own.Last November I ordered my Camac electro acoustic pedal harp and as far as I’m concerned, this is the best amplification system for pedal harps available on the market right now… 4 outputs: for separate low, mid and high output (with single string piezo pickups) plus a soundboard output for the overall acoustic sound. Alas, this is not available as an inbuilt system sold separately, but after all it’s probably the best option for amplified harp. Then again, it’ll cost quite a bit more than a pickup installed in your pedal harp.
Oops this has become quite a story altogether, but I hope it can be of help… anyway, best of luck choosing the best pickup Christine!
January 15, 2014 at 1:01 pm #77950Maya
ParticipantFishman make great pickups but the main issue I have with using those types of pickups whether they fishman, schertler, whatever.. is that to get a decent sound from the pedal harp with them you really need more than one as you’re never going to find a placement for it where the bass, mids and treble can all be heard clearly.
I have the DS pickup installed in my LH 30 and while it certainly is a great pickup and has facilitated my gigging life significantly, I do wish I had shopped around a bit more.
Out of all the pickups I’ve tried, I have to admit that it’s one of the few that can cope with the range of the harp and it does this very well. The treble and the bass both ring out clearly. However, as Marco stated above, the sound can often be too midrange especially if you’re using a guitar amp (I’d opt for a bass amp or PA). I also make extensive use of effects pedals and the DS copes pretty well with this. It’s also fantastic that I can just plug in as simply as I would an electric guitar. Overall the sound of the pick up is good but the main issue I have is the actually practicalities of gigging with it. It’s been a bit of a nightmare.
If you’re performing solo the DS is perfect. For playing with a band however, it has an entire host of problems. The main one being is that you have to be incredibly careful as to where you position the harp in relation to monitors/amps and other band members, as any sound coming directly at it will be detected by the pickups and cause the sound to distort and feedback. For playing with a jazz band, this is a complete nightmare. Particularly on a small stage. It also cannot be turned up to a very high volume as it will start to feedback, when you’re trying to compete with drums, electric guitars, sax and brass, this is a huge impediment. I also sing while playing and the DS of course picks up my voice as well, which especially annoying when I’m trying to use a loop pedal on my harping and the voice gets stuck with it.
Actually installing the DS is quite easy, ignore the instruction booklet that comes with it. I don’t know why they make it so complicated, common sense should get you there. Once it’s in, don’t glue the pickups down right away, use blue tack/putty instead as you’ll probably have to play around a bit to find the best placement for your harp. You’re likely going to encounter some problems once it’s in though, mostly because how the pickup is designed means the bar holding it in place will rattle around a lot. You’ll have to put some rags between it and the soundboard to prevent this. The other issue I had while gigging is that I played a festival over the summer and it was seriously hot and humid. Half the pickup came unstuck in the middle of a set and no one could hear me.
I know this all sounds very negative but when the DS works, it really is fantastic, it picks up every nuance of what I play and I love that it’s just installed in my harp and I don’t have to carry around any extra bits and pieces. However, having a pickup on every string is definitely the best way to go, if you can afford it. If you’re performing mostly solo or in small ensembles, I would definitely go for the DS over the Fishman. For playing in louder situations, I’d suggest taking your harp to a music store and shopping around a bit more.
Sorry this became a mammoth of a post, I hope you can follow my rambling and that it’s helpful.
January 15, 2014 at 1:33 pm #77951natalie-wagner–2
ParticipantI have the best of both worlds. DS on my style 85 petite pedal, and Fishman on my carbon fiber Delight. Both harps sound beautiful amplified.
I’ve had the Delight only since the summer, so I don’t have much experience with the Fishman. The sound is crystal clear and beautifully balanced with only one pickup! I believe this is in part because of the carbon fibers natural resonance.
The DS has given me the same problems as Maya, I wish I’d had her instruction booklet instead of the one they sent me! I followed them to a ‘T’, and so my mid range is extra boisterous because of their placement. The bass and treble are absolutely gorgeous though, and the whole range of the harp glows. The DS really is wonderful. It does rattle around on me, I’ve squished cotton balls in some places to muffle it, but right now it has a mysterious buzz that I can’t seem to find…
The best thing you can do though is get Deborah Henson-Conant’s “Gurl’s Guide to Amplification”. She wrote it for all musicians but obviously thinks like a harpist, and she has tons of tips for amplifying harps too. I’d invest in the book, as you will surely learn something, and then use it as a reference as you explore your options. God bless you!
— Natalie
January 15, 2014 at 6:35 pm #77952Tacye
ParticipantAccusound are another good option.
January 15, 2014 at 7:45 pm #77953Sylvia
ParticipantHas anyone tried the wireless pickups that violinists and cellists stick on their instruments?
I want a pickup, but I don’t want cords swishing around or stuff stuck to the inside of the harp picking up pedal changes.January 16, 2014 at 1:14 pm #77954christine-weatherford
ParticipantWow you guys are great! Since I only play solo, I think I will go with the Dusty Strings P30 pickup. I am not going to drill into my harp, I am just going to attach the pickup underneath the base of my harp. If I become a successful gigging harpist one day then I would be temped to invest in an electro acoustic Camac pedal harp. Until now, I have to work with what I have.
Natalie-thank you for the suggestion to order DHC’s Guide to Amplification. I had forgotten about that after seeing it years ago.
I really appreciate everyone’s lengthy comments, what a great community to belong to!
My next project is to find an amp. I am strongly considering the Fishman Mini Loudbox, per DHC’s recommendation. If she is recommending it, then I probably can’t go wrong 😉
Thank you SO MUCH!!!!
Christine WeatherfordJanuary 17, 2014 at 11:28 pm #77955Marco Hilgeman
MemberHi Christine,
I’m glad all of our posts helped you to make a decision. This forum is all about sharing knowledge and helping people out..it’s a great community indeed.
Yeah and I guess DHC can be of great help; after all she has a lot of experience with electric harp and amplification. No wonder she has an endorsement with Camac who developed the electric DHC light for her…
Have fun with your pickup, I hope you can purchase one soon!
January 20, 2014 at 1:07 am #77956natalie-wagner–2
ParticipantThe book is AMAZING. At least if you are a “gurl”. Her definition is priceless and I consider this an invaluable tool for someone as technically challenged as me.
I love this community too! What a wonderful harp world we live in. O’Carolan would be jealous of our connections. 😛
January 20, 2014 at 9:10 pm #77957kreig-kitts
MemberI bought a K&K Big Twin and just put it on today to test it. It seems to pick up the whole range of the harp very well and is easy to put on. For now I’m putting the pickup heads (there are two) on with Scotch mounting squares. They’re like sticky tack for posters and should be easily removable if I want to take them off or try different placement. Since so far it sounds good where they are I’ll probably leave them for now.
January 20, 2014 at 11:12 pm #77958Sylvia
ParticipantWhere did you stick them?
January 21, 2014 at 3:21 am #77959kreig-kitts
MemberOn the back of the soundboard, one fairly close to the bottom, and the other higher up, probably almost halfway up the soundboard.
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