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May 1, 2013 at 3:20 am #76671
mia-strayer
ParticipantI’ve been asked a very hard question & I need some HELP
why do the pedals go in this order d,c,b,e,f,g & a from left to right on all pedal harps
thanks for the helpMay 1, 2013 at 10:28 am #76672Angela Biggs
MemberI’m interested to see a detailed explanation of this, too! I’ve heard it has something to do with the circle of fifths. Looking at it from that perspective, it seems like an attempt to distribute the pedaling somewhat evenly between RF and LF.
May 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm #76673paul-knoke
ParticipantThe pedals are in that order because it facilitates the most common modulations: by fifths, fourths, whole steps, and to the relative minor. Say you’re in the key of C, and want to get into the key of G a fifth away – just move the F pedal. To get from C to F, a fourth away, just move the B pedal. Modulating by a whole step is where the genius of the pedal arrangement is revealed. Say you’re in F, and need to modulate a whole step to Eb – the B pedal is already in flat, so all you need to do is cross pedal on E, for which you have plenty of room because your right foot is over on the A pedal, and move both pedals into flats. If you experiment, you’ll see that most of the whole step modulations will involve moving pedals in pairs on opposite sides of the harp (B & E, C & F). Bear in mind that this layout was established by the single action harp makers in the 18th century, and has worked well from that day to this!
May 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm #76674kreig-kitts
MemberAlso going out from the middle it’s a scale in either side. BCD and EFGA. Probably the most frequently used accidentals, B, C, E, and F, are in the center where they’re easiest to reach. And as the feet alternate they go up in fifths: E B F C G D A. Maybe something else would have worked as well, but the layout seems reasonable enough.
May 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm #76675carl-swanson
ParticipantThank God that got standardized! If only there was a standard string spacing!!
May 29, 2013 at 10:50 pm #76676mia-strayer
ParticipantI thought there was a standard string spacing on Petal & lever harps
May 29, 2013 at 11:45 pm #76677fred-lockett
ParticipantAs I recall, it had something to do with Christopher Columbus and food. 🙂
May 31, 2013 at 1:00 am #76678shelby-m
ParticipantI thought there was standard string spacing on pedal harps too.
July 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm #76679mia-strayer
Participanti thought there was a standard string spacing on all pedal & lever harps
not totally for shore thoughJuly 31, 2013 at 12:10 pm #76680tracey-kjonegaard
MemberDid Columbus Bring Enough Food Going to America
August 5, 2013 at 11:55 pm #76681Stephanie Bennett
ParticipantThe first two flats are the closest to you. The first two sharps are the next closest. It turns out quite symmetrical for most key signatures, dividing the work between the left and right feet.
January 11, 2015 at 3:45 pm #185008balfour-knight
ParticipantInteresting about the pedal order, and that the Dilling/Douglas harps (which have seven “dital” levers corresponding to the seven pedals on pedal harps) have the CDEFGAB order, like looking at the lever order on lever harps! I think that the CDEFGAB order would have been logical on pedal harps, too, but it is like the type-writer keyboard which has become our computer keyboard, it is too well established to change it now!
January 12, 2015 at 3:34 pm #185032Biagio
ParticipantLever harps do not have a standard spacing although many luthiers like to use “concert harp spacing” i.e. conform to the pedal world. That too is a bit hard to pin down exactly. The reasons have to do with the individual diameters and in the case of lever harps with the tension; which differ among individual designs, especially in the bass. For a quick example picture a lightly strung lever harp with thick bass strings -nylon wrap over nylon core. If they were spaced at the same amount center to center as in a higher register it would be very easy for them to hit the adjacent string.
August 31, 2018 at 2:20 am #220124pheona-miller
Participant“Dying Christ Brought Eternal life From God Above.”
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