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  • #76671
    mia-strayer
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    I’ve been asked a very hard question & I need some HELP
    why do the pedals go in this order d,c,b,e,f,g & a from left to right on all pedal harps
    thanks for the help

    #76672
    Angela Biggs
    Member

    I’m interested to see a detailed explanation of this, too! I’ve heard it has something to do with the circle of fifths. Looking at it from that perspective, it seems like an attempt to distribute the pedaling somewhat evenly between RF and LF.

    #76673
    paul-knoke
    Participant

    The pedals are in that order because it facilitates the most common modulations: by fifths, fourths, whole steps, and to the relative minor. Say you’re in the key of C, and want to get into the key of G a fifth away – just move the F pedal. To get from C to F, a fourth away, just move the B pedal. Modulating by a whole step is where the genius of the pedal arrangement is revealed. Say you’re in F, and need to modulate a whole step to Eb – the B pedal is already in flat, so all you need to do is cross pedal on E, for which you have plenty of room because your right foot is over on the A pedal, and move both pedals into flats. If you experiment, you’ll see that most of the whole step modulations will involve moving pedals in pairs on opposite sides of the harp (B & E, C & F). Bear in mind that this layout was established by the single action harp makers in the 18th century, and has worked well from that day to this!

    #76674
    kreig-kitts
    Member

    Also going out from the middle it’s a scale in either side. BCD and EFGA. Probably the most frequently used accidentals, B, C, E, and F, are in the center where they’re easiest to reach. And as the feet alternate they go up in fifths: E B F C G D A. Maybe something else would have worked as well, but the layout seems reasonable enough.

    #76675
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Thank God that got standardized! If only there was a standard string spacing!!

    #76676
    mia-strayer
    Participant

    I thought there was a standard string spacing on Petal & lever harps

    #76677
    fred-lockett
    Participant

    As I recall, it had something to do with Christopher Columbus and food. 🙂

    #76678
    shelby-m
    Participant

    I thought there was standard string spacing on pedal harps too.

    #76679
    mia-strayer
    Participant

    i thought there was a standard string spacing on all pedal & lever harps
    not totally for shore though

    #76680

    Did Columbus Bring Enough Food Going to America

    #76681
    Stephanie Bennett
    Participant

    The first two flats are the closest to you. The first two sharps are the next closest. It turns out quite symmetrical for most key signatures, dividing the work between the left and right feet.

    #185008
    balfour-knight
    Participant

    Interesting about the pedal order, and that the Dilling/Douglas harps (which have seven “dital” levers corresponding to the seven pedals on pedal harps) have the CDEFGAB order, like looking at the lever order on lever harps! I think that the CDEFGAB order would have been logical on pedal harps, too, but it is like the type-writer keyboard which has become our computer keyboard, it is too well established to change it now!

    #185032
    Biagio
    Participant

    Lever harps do not have a standard spacing although many luthiers like to use “concert harp spacing” i.e. conform to the pedal world. That too is a bit hard to pin down exactly. The reasons have to do with the individual diameters and in the case of lever harps with the tension; which differ among individual designs, especially in the bass. For a quick example picture a lightly strung lever harp with thick bass strings -nylon wrap over nylon core. If they were spaced at the same amount center to center as in a higher register it would be very easy for them to hit the adjacent string.

    #220124
    pheona-miller
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    “Dying Christ Brought Eternal life From God Above.”

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