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May 17, 2022 at 3:24 pm #288277
Molly
ParticipantHi all! So if you remember from my last post I’m a baby harpist with 1 year under my belt! Yay! 🙂 I’ve been renting an old L&H Folk Harp which has been great to learn on, but it’s now starting to grate on my nerves. The sound is terrible and I definitely do not want to purchase it! I am not sure if or when I will be moving to a pedal harp, so I think it would make more sense for me to purchase a new(er) lever harp with better sound quality and a few more strings. Since I like the celtic style, my teacher recommended the Troubadour which is super cool. But I’m open to other recommendations!
May 17, 2022 at 4:21 pm #288278charles-nix
MemberIMHO–Troubadours are fine, reliable instruments. Reasonably priced used, and easy to sell on later. The same could be said for L&H Prelude, or several Salvi and Camac models.
However, they are starter pedal harps, with pedal harp tension, pedal harp string spacing, and gut strings, and enough massive structure to handle the above. They weigh in over half the weight of a concert grand pedal. They are not Celtic harps, and not intended/designed for Celtic music. You can learn excellent classical harp technique on one and make good music along the way. They are not as loud as a pedal harp, typically, but louder than the Folk Harp you are playing. And I am not bashing the Troubadour. They are excellent, affordable, reliable harps–but they are not Celtic.
That is not to say you can’t play a Celtic tune on one. But if by Celtic, you mean a harp along with a Celtic band, or a traditional bright Celtic sound, a Troubadour is _not_ what you want. Celtic harps will have much lighter string tension, a much brighter sound, and usually closer string spacing to facilitate fast fingering, runs, and ornamentation. They are also likely much more money than a Troubadour.
Other lever harps (Dusty Strings, Thormahlen, Rees, et al.) are generally hybrids with concert pedal spacing, but medium tension, intended to do many things fairly well. Some have excellent presence and volume in a room.
Also, buy used, whatever you do. Especially when you don’t know yet exactly what you want, you don’t need the depreciation expense if/when you trade again. You should also have a harp technician examine any harp you want to purchase, or learn what to look and listen for yourself.
It all depends on where you think you want to go with your harp journey.
May 17, 2022 at 5:21 pm #288282balfour-knight
ParticipantHi Molly!
You might like to check out a 34-string Dusty Strings Ravenna. I owned one for about 5 years and loved it. It is an affordable, all-around good harp, and you can play all types of music on it.
Best wishes,
BalfourMay 18, 2022 at 3:00 pm #288333Molly
ParticipantThanks for the recommendations!! It made me realize that I don’t really know what I want yet… Ideally I’d like to stay with pedal tension strings, as my folk harp is pedal tension and that’s what I’ve always played. Plus it will help if/when I decide to play a pedal harp one day. Honestly with the type of training I am doing, I am probably headed in that direction anyhow. I think it would make sense to buy a used lever harp that is a good all-around instrument, like the troubadour or similar model. I definitely want at least 36 strings though. As I move forward over the next few years, I can decide whether to invest in a pedal harp, or buy an additional celtic harp with lighter tension that is specifically for playing those tunes. Who knows, I may end up adding a celtic harp no matter what, as they are simply beautiful!
Do many of you have multiple harps you use for different types of music / occasions? I have a feeling my house will be full of harps in the next 5 years or so!!
May 18, 2022 at 4:30 pm #288335balfour-knight
ParticipantYour post makes good sense, Molly. In answer to your question, I own two professional harps. My concert grand pedal harp is a 47-string Atlantide Prestige, in natural maple, made by Camac. My lever harp is a cherry FH36S made by Dusty Strings, with Camac levers. With these two harps, I can play everything I want to on harp, all different styles/types of music. The great advantage of the Dusty, for a professional, gigging harpist, is the ease of transporting it. The wonderful advantage of the Atlantide is having the full compass of the instrument, and the ability to play in all keys with the convenience of the pedals, which I totally prefer! I love knowing that anything written for pedal harp or lever harp can be played on this instrument. Also, my Atlantide only weighs 77 lbs. which is not extremely hard to move–it is just more difficult than moving the 26-lb. Dusty.
Best of luck discovering what you will love in a harp, or harps, ha, ha!
Balfour (and Carol Lynn, who always helps me move the Atlantide!)May 20, 2022 at 11:14 am #288372Biagio
ParticipantGood questions Molly!
In answer…I can’t think of any player who does not have at least two harps after they have been playing for awhile. Often those will be a 34 or larger at least plus a smaller one for travel, going to gatherings etc. That applies whether they are principally a concert harpist or “folk” player. Some indeed have branched out to include wire strungs, doubles, and other types. It can get addictive!
You read and hear a lot early on about tension (pedal or lever) type of strings and so on. I think that most experienced players would say, however, that you can adapt to something different fairly easily unless it involves an entirely different technique. For example, going from the fairly wide string spacing of most harps to the narrow spacing of a wire strung harp (about 1.27 cm vs 1.1cm).
As for me personally I have at present four: a 36 and a 26 nylon strung, and a 26 and a 19 wire strung. A pedal harp is just too large and expensive for me at this stage in my life, plus I just play for my own amusement.
My advice to beginners is almost always the same: first find and interview a good teacher. If they are of the “pedal harp/pedal harp tension only” breed (and there are still some like that) be cautious of their recommendation unless you are absolutely convinced that is the way you want to go.
My first teacher was a world renowned concert harpist but her recommendation to me was exactly as Balfour suggested: the Dusty Strings Ravenna 34. Conversely, a priest I know had been a concert harpist and wanted something smaller as well: She ended up buying my Dusty FH26.
Best wishes,
BiagioSeptember 20, 2022 at 8:25 am #295144Chiara
ParticipantI love my Dusty Strings Crescendo 34! Ravennas also have an excellent sound, but the Crescendo’s quality is better- somewhere in between dusty string’s fully solid wood harps( FH34, FH36) and the Ravennas, which have very little solid wood on them….the Crescendo is made of solid wood, all except for the soundboard, which is laminated finland birch…However, I think it sounds almost as good as the FH models….One thing to consider…I would go with at least a 34 string harp, since if you go with a 26 string, you are probably going to find that there are many pieces you cannot play. In my opinion, no other folk harp manufacturing company beats Dusty Strings in their ability to make long lasting, excellent sounding harps!
Good luck in your harp search!
Chiara
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September 21, 2022 at 11:38 am #295203Gregg Bailey
MemberHi, Molly,
If you’re looking for a pedal-tension lever harp with at least 38 strings and with a curved pillar for the folk harp look, the main 2 contenders would be the Salvi Gaia (I have one on order!) and the Camac Korrigan. If 36 strings is enough, then a L&H Troubadour would be good, and if 34 strings is enough, then a L&H Ogden would be good, as well.
I hope this helps!
-Gregg
September 21, 2022 at 11:43 am #295204Gregg Bailey
MemberBy the way, the Salvi Gaia has the unique feature (among pedal-tension harps, especially of 38+ strings) of only weighing 24-25 pounds! The Camac Korrigan, on the other hand, apparently weighs somewhere between 30-33 pounds and is also a bit more expensive than the Gaia. Additionally, the Salvi Gaia has true pedal harp stringing, whereas the Camac Korrigan takes the bass wires 3 notes higher, which would apparently be more like your L&H Folk harp stringing but NOT like pedal harp stringing for those 3 notes. The L&H Folk Harp stringing apparently took the wires 2 notes higher than pedal harps.
-Gregg
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October 13, 2022 at 4:44 am #296226Sophie Liebregts
ParticipantHello,
Maybe I’m too late, but I am someone who plays a lot of Celtic (I would actually call it Irish traditional) stuff and I have a Triplett Ventana and it does very well with that kind of style. It’s very bright, which helps to “cut through” the pipes, accordions, fiddles and whatnots. Just wanted to throw Triplett intonthe already tasty mix of options. Good luck!
SophieOctober 13, 2022 at 1:25 pm #296236Molly
ParticipantThanks Sophie, and all the other contributors! I do want to stay with pedal tension for my first harp purchase but I may branch out to a lighter tension harp down the road, just for getting that brighter sound that I love so much!
There is a used L&H Troubadour III and a used L&H Prelude 40 available at my local music store, I’m leaning towards the Prelude as the sound is fabulous, but I don’t know yet!!
October 14, 2022 at 8:30 am #296252balfour-knight
ParticipantI think the L&H Prelude would be excellent for you, Molly. Gregg has one and loves it.
October 17, 2022 at 1:46 pm #296307Molly
ParticipantThanks all for your suggestions- I decided to go with the Prelude! I purchased it over the weekend and go today to return my rental and take home the new one 🙂 Eeeek! I am BEYOND excited!!! The sound is unbelievable, compared to my trusty little Folk Harp I have learned on for the past 1.5 years. This is such a huge step for me. I feel so incredibly lucky and blessed to own such a beautiful instrument.
It was a hard decision, because they had a brand new Ogden that just came into stock, which is basically just like my Folk Harp but with a better sound. I absolutely loved playing it! It sounded very similar to the Prelude. However, the Prelude has more strings, and that ultimately seemed the better investment. Even though it is 14 years old vs. the brand new Ogden, it is a good first purchase for me. It’s not so much of a commitment as a pedal harp, but it’s a definite step up from the 34-string model I learned on.
October 17, 2022 at 2:45 pm #296316balfour-knight
ParticipantCongratulations, Molly! We are so pleased that you are getting the Prelude. Fourteen years ago, the quality standards at L&H were very high. I owned a beautiful L&H semi-grand pedal harp dating from about that time. This Prelude should serve you well. We wish you many hours of embracing this new addition to your family!
Balfour and Carol Lynn
October 17, 2022 at 3:54 pm #296318Molly
ParticipantThanks Balfour! It is good to know that it is retaining its quality. The previous owner kept it in great shape as well, so that helps. I will have a hard time leaving it alone once it comes home with us 🙂
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