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  • #286567
    Molly
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    I’m at the point where I’m really wanting to learn songs outside of my harp book my teacher is teaching me. I have an affinity for Celtic folk music, and I’m feeling really frustrated that my repertoire is made up almost entirely of nursery songs! I am trying to trust the process, especially in the critical first years, but I’m very frustrated that I’m not learning music I actually like. It is a bit discouraging to hear all this beautiful harp music on Youtube and wish I could play it. I know that the book I’m learning is designed to teach me important technical skills I will need, but I’ve got to have some inspiration along the way that will keep me going! Hopefully you all have some perspective to share…

    #286568
    Debbie
    Member

    Have you discussed this with your teacher? I’m sure they would like to know and would be willing to help you find some new music to learn. I try to keep communication open with my students so they feel comfortable bringing up any concerns. I’m sure your teacher feels the same way and wants you to be happy with your lessons!

    There’s so much wonderful Celtic music available on harpcolumnmusic.com. (My book is 21 Easy Irish Songs for All Harps). Celtic music is definitely great for learning to play!

    Best of luck and let us know what happens.

    #286570
    charles-nix
    Member

    Agreed. Talk with your teacher. My first teacher as an adult beginner was used to teaching grammar school girls. I liked her very much then, and now, but as a nearly 40 year old man then, found it difficult to learn any harp.

    There is much literature out there that does not involve nursery rhymes for beginners. Some of it may not be your favorite, but you should be able to find some you really like, even if it isn’t all Celtic.

    If you find your teacher willing to work with other literature, you may need to get recommendations here, and bring them to him/her.

    For very early beginners, unless you already read music well, choices will be limited. If you already read, Salzedo has sets of short teaching pieces beginning with Tiny Tales. And the McDonald/Wood Graded Recital Series. And Kathryn Cater’s books make a graded series, though they are not numbered in an order. I also found Kathy Bundock Moore’s Thumbs Up to be good for an adult. And don’t overlook Grossi.

    #286860
    Molly
    Participant

    Thanks for the replies! I just didn’t want it to come off like I’m “too good” for the music she is teaching me. Because I’ve come SO far and it is clearly helping me to learn. The good thing is, I’m pretty much done with the nursery type songs and the rest of the book is a bit more “musical”, haha! But I did speak with my teacher and expressed my concerns about the material not being very stimulating for me. While she does want to stick mainly to the book, she has agreed to teach me other songs throughout the process that I enjoy. I am not proficient with sight reading yet, so that is handicapping me a lot so I am very much dependent on my teacher right now. I do have a song that I think is within my grasp, so I’ll definitely send that to my teacher and see if we can learn it soon. But I just get so frustrated not being able to be a “free thinker” yet with regards to what I choose to play. Just the beginner blues, I guess!! LOL.

    #286865
    charles-nix
    Member

    Learning to read music, and learning harp, and doing both as an adult is a triple play. Be patient with yourself and with your teacher. Until you are easily reading (and placing) 2 or 3 notes in both hands at the same time, you will have some limitations on literature.

    But you do have to play music you enjoy playing, else what is the point? That’s one difference with teaching adult beginners–“play this because I say so” is not a very useful approach for adults. One thing that may help both you and your teacher is for him/her to explain with each piece what technical skills you are working on while learning that piece.

    If you don’t mind, which book are you using, and where are you in it? That may help some of the people on here be more helpful at suggesting literature that might interest you.

    #286866
    Molly
    Participant

    Not at all- I am learning the Suzuki Book 1, I am a little over halfway through it right now. My teacher has been great about explaining the “why” to me. Most of her students are kiddos, so she loves talking to someone that has a better attention span, LOL! It does help me a lot so I don’t feel like what I’m doing is for no reason. I’ve learned one song outside the book with her, that I love which has been really great. But I guess I’m just craving more!!

    #286867
    charles-nix
    Member

    Ah. Personally I know little about that method, except that I understand it is based on ear training, and is often described as a way to teach children too young to learn to read music.

    I don’t think it has made many inroads into the harp world. At least I have rarely heard of it being used for harp.

    Harp, like organ, is traditionally taught as a second instrument after some piano.

    Celtic music is often also ear based, so it may serve you well.

    If you want to start a discussion, start a thread asking about opinions on the Suzuki method for harp. But remember there are a number of distinct methods for harp, each with their proponents.

    #286872
    Molly
    Participant

    Yes it is one of the less common methods but when I started I didn’t know from Adam, I just knew I wanted to learn. You are correct about learning by ear, that’s a big part of it. But it also teaches that talent is not inherent but is a skill that can be learned. I believe it started with violin, and now the method is used for various instruments, but not specific to harp. My teacher has studied other methods too and is very accomplished musician, but she says she keeps coming back to suzuki because it works. And it definitely has worked for me so far. The later books are more interesting music, but the first half of book 1 is very tedious!

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 4 months ago by Molly.
    #286874
    wil-weten
    Participant

    Frankly, I wonder whether your teacher hasn’t shown you Pamela Bruner’s series “Play the Harp Beautifully” I-III), as it contains a lot of folk music and is very suitable for adult learners. For the first 2 Volumes there’s a DVD available.
    It’s a well-known method.

    #286896
    cecioboe
    Participant

    I am also an adult learner and my teacher gave me the Thumbs Up, Levers Up book by Kathy Brundage. It has interesting harmonies and progressive exercises. You can supplement with that on your own.

    #286913
    Molly
    Participant

    Thanks for the suggestions!! I will have to pick those up. I do get nervous about deviating from Suzuki because I don’t want to de-rail any of my progress, but it would be nice to add more repertoire as I’m learning. I also have been doing a lot of quizzes for sight reading which I hope will allow me to begin playing more music on my own. Right now, I have to really think about it and write in the notes on my music. It is time consuming but I have been able to get through some songs in my book that way. Hopefully it will become more muscle memory, with time.

    #286915
    charles-nix
    Member

    @CECIOBOE, so OP is clear, the author is Kathy Bundock Moore. I think you mixed the name with Barbara Brundage, who has arranged Classics by Request among many others.

    But, it is most important to trust and work with your teacher if you are making progress.

    #286916
    wil-weten
    Participant

    @MOCAM1993, you wrote e.g.: “I’m feeling really frustrated that my repertoire is made up almost entirely of nursery songs! I am trying to trust the process, especially in the critical first years, but I’m very frustrated that I’m not learning music I actually like.”

    I think a student should be enthousiast or even a bit excited after most of one’s harp lessons, even when the actual exercising of a new technique or tackling a difficulty was hard. In your message, I read no enthousiasme at all. And, even worse, your are ‘trying to trust the process”. “Trying to trust” sounds so much different from “trusting”, but I may be wrong whether you really mean this big difference.

    You also speak of “I also have been doing a lot of quizzes for sight reading which I hope will allow me to begin playing more music on my own. Right now, I have to really think about it and write in the notes on my music.” Frankly, I think it’s so much better at this stage of your learning to have the support of your teacher for the pieces you want to study. By the way, writing the notes in your sheet music is generally considered to be a bad habit which will hamper your advance later on.

    You also speak of the “critical first years”. May I ask how long have you been taking harp lessons from this teacher?

    #286926
    Molly
    Participant

    Hello Wil! I think you’re reading a bit too much in- I am definitely excited to go to my lessons and really enjoy learning! It’s one of the best parts of my week. It just gets frustrating when something is coming a bit slower, and I have to spend more time on music I am not super passionate about. I get really excited about the prospect of moving on to more interesting music, so it motivates me to learn faster. I view it as more of a stepping stone. Believe me, if I wasn’t enthusiastic I definitely would not have stuck with it this long! I’d just like to learn on songs that I enjoy more.

    And thank you for your advice- I will definitely stop writing notes in and focus on music theory with my teacher to help me with sight reading. She’s told me that she wants to start me on that really soon. Also, to answer your question I’ve been taking lessons for 1 year with my teacher. Do you think that’s too short a time to be learning these things?

    #286946
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    When a teacher is teaching a student who has never studied an instrument before, that teacher has two big things to teach. 1) how to read music, and 2) how to play the instrument. That’s a lot for both the teacher and the student to tackle. You are very limited right now in what you can play because you are working very hard on both of these issues.

    Does your teacher know what kind of music you are ultimately interested in playing? If not, you might take the time to discuss that with him/her. If it is possible, your teacher might be able to find some pieces that you like that are within your skill level. I would also suggest that you consider, if it is available someplace and you can find the time and money to do it, taking a music theory course. That way, you can learn music reading away from the harp, and that might provide more time at your harp lesson to work on pieces. Is there a center for adult education near you? You might find a course there.

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