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These are the ending measures of a three movement symphony. Strings, WW, Hns are marked pp.
Fl. 1. Ob. 1, Vn. 1, Vn. 2, Va, are playing high pitched legato melody lines. The lower instruments are playing half note chords. Is it possible for the harp to play the chord and have the top note as a harmonic?
Is there an example of this type of writing in other orchestra works?Copy (not the original parts) at Curtis
https://roc.curtis.edu/search~S7/?searchtype=t&searcharg=Bolmimerie+&searchscope=7&SORT=DZ&extended=0&SUBMIT=Search&searchlimits=&searchorigarg=tSalzedo+Bolmimerie+Author Salzedo, Carlos, 1885-1961.
Title Bolmimerie : music for a film pantomime / by Carlos Salzedo (1919)
Pub Info [U.S.?], 1919.
Spec Coll – Scores M767.S186 B6 1919 (Harp drawer) — 33351 INHOUSE ONLY
Spec Coll – Scores M767.S186 B6 1919 (Harp drawer) — 94649 INHOUSE ONLY
Descript 1 ms. score (24 p.) + 6 ms parts ; 34 cm.
Note For harp 7 harps.
Harp 1B and 1BB notated on the same part.
“To Adolf Bolm”– t.p.
Reproduction Photocopy. Philadelphia, Pa. : Curtis Institute of Music, 1977.
Subject Suites (Harps (7)) — Scores and parts.
Motion picture music — Scores and parts.
Add Author Bolm, Adolf, 1894-1951, Dedicatee.An up-date of the Nieweg Chart: Harp with strings (2018) is attached.
It is also posted on the website SOLC – Symphony Orchestra Library Center in the right hand Chart column.
Thanks to all who sent in titles and details.Musikfind1
Balassa Sándor:
Phantasy for Harp and String Orchestra, op. 76 (2002)
score and parts
Pub: Editio Musica Budapest(EMB)/ Universal Music Publishing Group,
http://www.ump.emb.hu/en/page/about
Material on rental from Boosey & Hawkes/ ZINFONIA
http://www.boosey.com/pages/rental/Rental_na_engElgar, Edward The Spirit of England <1915-1917>
Work Notes Elgar Complete Critical Edition
Text Writer Laurence Binyon
Category Chorus SATB and Orchestra
Full score Music Makers and Spirit of England:
Hal Leonard HL #14022350 import ca. $115.95
Dur: 30 Minutes
Orchestra score and parts on rental
Pub: Chester- Novello & Co Ltd / Music Sales Classical /Schirmer
Organizations may order the set on rental from ZINFONIAElgar works that are not reprinted by Edwin F. Kalmus are on rental from Novello/Zinfonia.
Order Kalmus titles for sale from EMS.
Dream of Gerontius: 2 Harp parts $15.00 each
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg15048.htm
Music Maker: 2 Harp parts $7.00 each
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg171307.htm
The Kingdom: 2 Harp parts $17.50 each
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg18049.htmBrahms: German Requiem 1 Harp part $5.50
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg16646.htm
Faure: Requiem Final Version 1900 1 Harp part $4.00
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg16646.htmDvorak Stabat Mater Not scored for harp.
More titles with publisher details.
Editions by Dominique PianaHolý, Alfred (b Oporto, PT, 5 August 1866; d Vienna, 6 May 1948)
Legend for harp and string quartet, ed. D. Piana
Full score with separate harp and string parts, all included. For sale
Pub. Editions Harpiana PublicationsStix, Carl (b Vienna, 1860; d 1909)
Legende, op. 141; Serious Piece for String Orchestra with Harp, ed. D. Piana
Full Score (8 pp.) RR131 For sale
Harp Part: (4 pp.) RR132 Difficulty: 5. For sale
String Parts: RR133 For sale
Pub. Editions Harpiana PublicationsStix, C. – Legende, Serious Piece for String Orchestra with Harp, ed. D. Piana, Full Score
Program note: http://livermoreamadorsymphony.org/programs/LASYO-prog2015.pdf
[originally published by Johann André in Offenbach am Main in 1896 with organ]
YouTube
Legende, Op 141, Carl Stix, 2015 08 08 LASYO Livermore Amador Symphony Youth OrchPublication details update:
Hahn, R. (b. Caracas, Venezuela, 9 Aug, 1874; d. Paris, 28 Jan. 1947) Venezuelan, naturalized French composer
Prélude, Valse et Rigaudon,
for harp and string ensemble (violin I and II, viola, cello and bass), adapted for pedal harp and ed. Dominique Piana, full score (23 pp.) For sale. GU106
Parts for sale: Solo harp, (10 pp.) Difficulty: 9-10 GU107
Set of String Orchestra parts: G108
Alternate String Quartet version. GU109
Pub. Editions Harpiana Publications https://harpiana.com/
Phone: (925) 455-5333
Email: dominiquepiana@comcast.netPrélude, valse et rigaudon: pour harpe chromatique: avec accompagnement de piano
“Morceau de Councours pour le conservatoire royal de musique de Bruxelles Année, 1903”
1 harp score (19 pages); 35 cm
Pub: Paris: Au Menestrel: Heugel & Cie, [190-?] Agent
Leduc, Agent Music Sales Classical
Copy on Deposit: Brigham Young University Harold B.
Lee Library Provo, UT
The publication with strings is not found on the
Heugel/Leduc – Music Sales Classical.
YouTube:
Floraleda Sacchi (Harp) Orchestra 1813, José Gomez Rios
Teatro Sociale di Como 24 Feb. 2012
At the top end of the harp, Ravel in Daphnis et Chloé notates a scale glissando before Reh. 206, which ends (in Harp notation on A0) in ANSI Notation A7. This A string is not on harps.
A NIEWEG Chart: Harp with Strings has now been posted on SOLC – Symphony Orchestra Library Center. http://www.orchestralibrary.com/ Under the Nieweg Charts. In response to a request on Harp Column, this 17 page chart has research about details for works that have been recommended by harpists and conductors.
http://www.orchestralibrary.com/Nieweg%20Charts/Harp%20with%20strings.pdf
A work that is highly Recommended both for the harpist and the strings:
Gould, Morton (b New York, 10 Dec 1913; d Orlando, FL, 21 Feb 1996). American
Spirituals for Strings <1961> 21′
hp — str Harp in mvts 1, 4, 5 only. Strings divisi.
[Not to be confused with two other similarly named works by this composer.]
Gospel Train—Old Time Religion (with Harp)
Were You There?—Steal Away
All God’s Children Got Wings
Little David Play on Your Harp (with Harp)
Calvary—He Never Said a Mumblin’ Word (with Harp)
Ezekiel Saw de Wheel
Score: (66 pp) http://www.musicsalesclassical.com/composer/work/565/28389Pub: Schirmer rental http://www.musicsalesclassical.com/rental
Additions and corrections are always welcome for all the charts. proofer1@comcast.net
Some of the titles on this AHS list are with String Orchestra.
http://www.harpsociety.org/pdfs/about/programs/Harped_project.pdfDo you want only Harp solo with strings?
Vries de, Klaas:Drie harpisten: drie stukjes voor 3 kleine harpen three harps Pub: Deuss music 07′
From <http://composingforharp.com/?page_id=23>Boulez, Pierre:Sur Incises 3 harps, 3 pianos, 3 percussions Youtube First version from 1996 conducted by Pierre Boulez with Ensemble Intercontemporain Pub: Universal Editions Vienna 40′ 1998
1996/1998/2006
From <https://www.universaledition.com/composers-and-works/pierre-boulez-88/works/sur-incises-5114>
https://www.universaledition.com/composers-and-works/pierre-boulez-88/works/sur-incises-5114Cage, John: Postcard from Heaven 1-20 harps Variable Pub: 1982 C. F. Peters Edition EP 66923
From <http://www.johncage.org/pp/John-Cage-Work-Detail.cfm?work_ID=152>
YouTube: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=john+cage+postcard+from+heaven+harps&view=detail&mid=803743EFB6BDA1DAD561803743EFB6BDA1DAD561&FORM=VIREFrom <http://composingforharp.com/?page_id=25>
———————————-Dohmen, Andreas:Dissociations 3 harps solo and orchestra 2007
Andreas.dohmen@HFM-Wuerzburg.de
Dissociations for large Orchestra with three solo harp (2005-07). 3,4,3,3 – 6,3,3,1 – PK., 3 percussion., PF. -Solos: 3 HRF – 14,12,10,8,6. UA: HRF.-solos: Frédérique Cambreling, Maria Stange, Mirjam Schröder, SYMPHONIEORCHESTER of des Bayerischen Rundfunks, line: Lothar Zagrosek, Munich 2008.Pattar, Frédéric Soleil- Filaments 3 harps solo and orchestra Inspired by a poem of Paul Celan 14′ 2006 premiered by Frédérique Cambreling
Incorrect listing? See http://brahms.ircam.fr/works/work/23785/ For Harp, Double Bass and EnsembleSikora, Elzbieta South Shore 3 harps solo and orchestra Composed for Isabelle Perrin Pub: Cracovie PWM Edition 25′ 2008
Incorrect listing? The PWM catalog shows 1 harp
South Shore Concertino for Harp Blue and Orchestra
• Duration: 25′
• Instrumentation: ar solo-2222-2220-batt(3 esec)-archi
• Year: 2008
• Order: Camac Harps France oraz Polskie Towarzystwo Harfowe
• [U.S.A. rental: European American Music Distributors Company]
• Type: parts, score
From <https://pwm.com.pl/en/wypozyczenia/utwory-wg-kategorii/publikacja/south-shore,elzbieta-sikora,15878,hirelibrary.htm>
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http://harpspectrum.org/links/compositions.shtml
John Eaton:
“In the Cave of the Sibyl: Sonority Movement” for 9 harps (or any multiple of 3) and flute; (1971); duration: 9 minutes; for information contact johneaton1@earthlink.net – recorded on Music by John Eaton, a CD by Indiana University Press.Ajax for 3 harps, bass-baritone and large chamber ensemble; (1972); duration: 12 minutes; Music Sales (AMP) or contact johneaton1@earthlink.net – recorded on Music by John Eaton, a CD by Indiana University Press
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Harrisburg [PA] Harp Orchestra Sheet Music
http://harrisburgharporchestra.com/hhosheetmusic.htm
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Milhaud: Scamouche – Brasileira
Brasileira for 3 Harps
The harp trio “Musique à Trois” ( Chloe Liow, 11; Isabel Ho, 11 & Kaitlyn Tan, 9) performed Brasileira by Milhaud from Scaramouche.
From <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sl3CjX9G18>80 works for 3 Harps:
Chorale in 3 harps
by Tibor Serly
Musical score
Publisher: Lyra Music Co., [©1967]Fantasy on a double quodlibet, for 3 harps or groups.
by Tibor Serly
Musical score
Publisher: New York, Southern Music Pub. Co. [©1972]This list also contains arrangements:
Johann Sebastian Bach; Shari Pack
Jesu, joy of man’s desiring
1 score ([12] pages) + 3 parts ; 29 cm
Publisher:Rexburg, Idaho : Pax Pub., 1989.Publication Details:
William Alwyn (b. Northampton, UK, 7 November 1905: d. Southwold, Suffolk, UK, 11 September 1985)
Lyrica Angelica, Concerto for harp and strings (1953/1954)
The score and harp part are for sale
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg63203.htm
LEN999al / hp, str orch
EXTRA IMPORT POSTAGE APPLIES.
Item# Item Name
EMS122240 ALWYN, William – Lyra Angelica. – octavo score – AL01189 ca. $15.00
EMS307387 ALWYN, William – Lyra Angelica. – harp (32 pp.) – AL00467 ca. $17.00Dur: 26′
Pub: Alfred Lengnick & Co., now owned by Universal Music Publishing Group
String Orchestra parts rental agent: zinfonia.com https://www.zinfonia.com/default.aspx
“Alwyn’s concerto for harp and string orchestra, Lyra Angelica, was popularized when the American figure skater Michelle Kwan performed to it at the 1998 Winter Olympics.”
Other works with harp by Alwyn:
Eight Irish Folk Tunes – Suite for Flute, Violin, Viola and Harp <1934>
2 Folk Tunes for cello or viola and piano (or harp) <1936>
French Suite (Fanfare, Rondeau, Gavotte, Two Interwoven Tunes:
Les Matelots de L’isle de Cythere, Les Septs Sauts, Menuet I & II, Air de Chasse)
for Flute, Violin, Viola and Harp <1937>
Concerto for Oboe, Harp and string orchestra <1943/1944> oboe and piano ca. $15.25
[recording on Chandos]
Suite for Oboe and Harp (1. Minuet. 2.Valse Miniature. 3.Jig) <1943/1944>
The Cherry Tree Carol (Traditional) for voice and harp <1945>
Crepuscule for Harp Solo <1955> ca. $8.00
Naiades – fantasy sonata for flute & harp <1971> ca. $16.00
[recording on “Taking Flight” by Lyrebird Ensemble]
carl-swanson wrote:
>>Clinton- Did Debussy make the revised score?The publisher Jobert claims the revised edition was made by Debussy.
I have not been able to find that manuscript. Perhaps with your French connections you will come up with a source?>>If so, why did it take 12 years after his death to get it printed?
No idea. Perhaps the preface to the Herlin corrected version of the 1930 would have some information.
I cannot check as I am still trying to get my score back from an orchestra librarian. ☻>>In general terms, what’s the difference between the original version and the revised score? Were there big changes?
There are enough orchestration changes that the original and the revised can not be performed together. The big changes are in the 3rd movement. I know, as a young guest conductor came to The Philadelphia Orchestra with the Jobert 1930/”corrected 1964″ score. https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems149975.htm
Many conductors and libraries bought that score as it was full size. No one realized the parts did not match.
http://www.worldcat.org/title/nocturnes/oclc/56175985&referer=brief_results
When told the original version parts were on the stands, he said that’s “OK”. The rehearsal soon stopped and we had to take a original score to him!
Another time a guest conductor insisted that he wanted to use the Jobert revised score. We worked on matching those parts everyday for three months. At last had to give up, as the mistakes in both the score and parts were just too many. Also there are no choral parts for that publication.
>>And what do most orchestras play today? The original or the revised versions?
Most orchestra will perform from the corrected Kalmus edition ©2005 of the Fromont (later Jobert) original version.
[There have been earlier Kalmus reprints that are not corrected and are now POP]
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg20167.htm
Large Full score $70.00 set of parts $350.00
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems333970.htm
Octavo study score $26.95Buying and keeping a set for future performances is cheaper on the budget than renting the corrected revised Durand/ Boosey edition. The Denis Herlin is an excellent publication of the 1930 revised edition ©2000. I have only a two page chart of comments (created in 2012) about that publication. The parts are computer engraved–they look terrific, have mistakes corrected, etc. but they are on rental only.
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems197901.htm
Full Score $183.00 Orchestra parts on rental.We need to find the engravers copy of the original and the manuscript/engravers copy of the revised to solve this question.
There has never been a good choral score with piano for the original, so I had one created.
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/ems267115.htm
[This does not fit with the revised edition choral score which are for sale, but have no piano accompaniment.]Debussy: Trois Nocturnes ( L 91 )
(Original version, 1899) From the 2005 corrected publication preface:
This chart is a listing of major differences between the 1900 printed score and the 1900 printed parts. All mention of “score and parts” refer to the composition originally written in 1897 – 1899 and published in 1900 – 1901. The 2005 publication takes into account all of Debussy’s corrections which are in the public domain (i.e. all of the changes up to but not including the 1930 revised edition).The fair copy of the orginial manuscript at BnF is not the engraving copy. Debussy must have made changes when proofing, as the printed Durand score has different notation in some measures.
Chart snip for the Harp questions:
Mvt. 1, Reh. 7, meas. 1; In Debussy’s manuscript score, the Flute and Harp play in unison.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b550010431.r=Debussy%20Nocturnes?rk=171674;4
http://ks.imslp.net/files/imglnks/usimg/0/05/IMSLP410848-PMLP04968-Nocturnes.pdf
Original printed Score: no 8ba is notated. Part: An 8ba is notated to Reh. 8 meas. 3.
The 8ba is also printed in the revised edition score.
This passage is traditionally played in flats, an octave lower than the Flute, as indicated by the flat pedal markings in the original print score.
The 2005 edition part has the music printed as an “ossia” in flats at the pitch starting on 2nd line Gb (Gb4).Mvt. 1, Reh. 8, meas. 1. In Debussy’s manuscript score, the Flute and Harp continue to play in unison.
There are no harmonics notated.
In the printed score of the original edition the harmonics are notated to be played an octave lower that written. The first sounding pitch is Eb treble clef 1st line (Eb4), still an octave below the Flute D#(D#4). (The pitches showing are the actual sounding pitches.)
In the revised printed score, there are harmonics but the 8ba is missing.Mvt. 3, Reh. 4, meas.1; For the gliss at measure 7. Score: accrochez (set) for descending gliss. en remontant (re-ascending) for ascending gliss. Part: en descendant and en mountant.
Set: D#, Cb, Bnat | Eb, Fnat, G#, Ab. Change to E# and Db to ascend and back to Eb and D# to descend.
Mvt. 3, Reh. 4, meas. 8, beat 4; Manuscript score and Part: written as a repeat sign which would indicate that an ascending gliss line continues on beat 4 exactly like measure 3. | [Muffle]
Original Printed Score: the gliss. is missing at Reh. 4, meas. 8, beat 4Mvt. 3, Reh. 10, meas. 1 to 8; The manuscript score has mf for measure 1, then repeat signs.
The original print score has dynamics that match the other instruments. mf on beat 1. p on beat 3. | measure 2 p for the whole measure. | Measure 3 mf on beat 1. p on beat 3. | Measure 4 p sempre to measure 8.
[The Eulenburg revised edition score is missing the Measure 3 mf on beat 1. p on beat 3]Debussy’s Nocturnes revised edition, not published until 1930, has a different orchestration, especially in the harps and chorus part. Combining the original and revised editions will STOP a rehearsal.
[If a conductor tries to use the Jobert 1930/1964 score, suggest hiring another conductor, as those parts do not match that score at all.]http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k11621535/f18.image.r=Debussy%20Nocturnes
http://imslp.eu/linkhandler.php?path=/imglnks/euimg/5/53/IMSLP419438-SIBLEY1802.30697.b039-39087009438930score.pdf
The revised corrected Herlin edition score is for sale $183.00, the parts on rental from Durand/Boosey.Corrected original 1899 publication score and parts for sale:
https://www.emsmusic.com/product_p/emsg20167.htm
EMS284366 DEBUSSY, Claude (1862-1918) – Nocturnes (Nuages, Fetes, Sirenes) (original version,1899) (Nieweg). EDWIN F. KALMUS – extra harp 1 – A3070 $9.00
EMS284367 DEBUSSY, Claude (1862-1918) – Nocturnes (Nuages, Fetes, Sirenes) (original version,1899) (Nieweg). EDWIN F. KALMUS – extra harp 2 – A3070 $9.00
