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  • #87423
    carl-swanson
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    Here is a subject that is dear to my heart that I have never seen discussed here. The term ‘placing in sequence’ is my own invention, and refers to the technique of placing only one finger at a time ahead of the one you are playing, even when it is possible to place more than that.

    I first learned this technique by watching Susan McDonald play(I’ve never had a lesson with her). She uses the technique all the time. After seeing her do it I went home and taught myself to do it to. Since learning it, there is almost no place that I don’t use it.

    It’s an advanced technique, and is tricky to learn, but there are several reasons to use it. One is that it helps to avoid buzzes, especially with my fat fingers. It also helps to create a legato line, and to avoid muffling a string that has just been played.

    Let me stress that it is important for any student to learn to place in blocks of 3 or 4 fingers simultaneously, and that in learning a new piece, I frequently start by placing in blocks. But as the notes become more comfortable, I just automatically start placing one note at a time ahead of the one I am playing. I use this technique for melodic lines, but also for chords, placing the notes of a chord one at a time as I roll from bottom to top.

    I’d like to hear from others who use this technique. Were you taught it? Or did you just evolve into using it? Do you teach it to your students? Do you know another name for it? I’ve never heard one that I can remember.

    #87424
    David Ice
    Participant

    Hi Carl,

    That sounds like a variation of how David Watkins taught me.

    #87425

    I use a similar technique, which I refer to as “throwing” the fingers on, especially in cascading passages. I would not be surprised if a lot of us have evolved various techniques to achieve legato or staccato playing. Block placing is essential in a lot of contexts, but there are passages in which you have to allow notes to ring a bit longer, thus necessitating a different kind of placement. After all, we’re musicians first, harpists second.

    #87426
    Tacye
    Participant

    My first teacher called it spider walking…

    #87427
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    David- Just for clarification, when you say ‘shooting’ the fingers down the proper strings, are you talking about placing high and then sliding down the string into position? Or do your fingers place on the strings exactly where they will play?

    #87428
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Tacye- I can’t imagine any harpist who plays beyond an intermediate level not doing this, but I guess the point of my post was to ask if it is consciously taught, and what other teachers call it. I find it particularly useful in playing Bach, but frankly, as I said in my original post, since learning the technique a long time ago, there is almost no place that I don’t use it.

    #87429
    David Ice
    Participant

    You hit it exactly, Carl.

    #87430
    diane-michaels
    Spectator

    As we’ve discovered,

    #87431
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I learned the technique from watching Grandjany use it.

    #87432
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    David- Honestly, I can’t understand the logic of placing high and then sliding down. I have a student now who did this big time when he transfered to me two years ago. His previous teacher didn’t teach him to do this, she just let him do it, as well as a whole host of other things that caused many problems.

    The most obvious reason I have for not placing high and then sliding down is that it necessarily forces you to place before you actually play the string, and many times, on fast difficult repertoire, there is just no time for this added motion. Also, if you are placing on a string that has just been played and is still vibrating, you stop the sound. As one gets into harder repertoire, it becomes important to touch the string at the moment that it is played and not a micro-second earlier. To me, the best technique is the most efficient, meaning that the desired result is achieved with a minimum of effort and movement. Placing high and then sliding into position sounds to me like a lot of unnecessary movement with a high probability of creating unnecessary noise(sliding on the string), buzzing(by placing earlier than necessary) and stopping the sound(again, by placing earlier than absolutely necessary).

    #87433
    barbara-brundage
    Participant

    >Were you taught it?

    Yes.

    >Do you know another name for it?

    Well, Miss Malone just called it “DON’T BUZZ!” as far as I can recall.

    #87434
    barbara-brundage
    Participant

    Walked placing is often marked in Mr. Grandjany’s music, incidentally.

    #87435
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    ‘Walked placing’ is not a bad name either. But I think I’m going to stick to ‘placing in sequence.’ By the way, is there someplace where Grandjany explains what the marking for this means? I don’t remember seeing it anywhere.

    #87436

    Miss Lawrence certainly taught it for passages in thirds and such places where placing is impossible or buzzy, and she referred to it as being like “walking on eggshells”, but she didn’t use any special name for it other than placing one at a time.

    #87437
    barbara-brundage
    Participant

    It’s the scallopy dotted line connecting finger numbers. If I have time I’ll see if I can dig out an example to reference.

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