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  • #82423
    unknown-user
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    Hi folks.

    I was wondering what is considered to be the “necessery repetoire” that
    every professional harpist is expected to know. I know that every harpist
    should eventually tackle Handels Bb Concerto and The Debussy Dances, but what else
    is considered indespinsable? Are there any composers that every student
    should tackle, kind of like the three B’s on piano? I know of Naderman,
    Dussek and Hasselmans, but who else should I try to work on?

    #82424
    unknown-user
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    I don’t want to repeat my discussion of standard repertoire elsewhere
    in this site, but Naderman is hardly interesting enough to be
    necessary, nor Hasselmans. We need to play music that is of interest to
    serious listeners who are not harpists. That rules out a lot of
    harpist-composers. But how will we ever agree? So many are stuck on
    their love of Parish-Alvars, Zabel, Hasselmans and other such figures.
    If we look at pianists, for example, most of them play masters and not
    lesser figures like Moszkowski. While people are more open-minded now,
    it still weakens the harp to present music that is not substantial in
    content just because we are fond of it. It is wonderful to have music
    to learn on by harpists of yore, but we must out-grow it, as well, if
    we want to be taken seriously. And we still need to be taken seriously.
    We are left out of many ensembles because we are still not seen as a
    core instrument with important repertoire.

    Concertos I should include are Albrechtsberger, Mozart, J.C. Bach,
    Handel, Wagenseil, Dussek, Spohr, Saint-Saens, Debussy, Ravel, Pierne,
    Dohnanyi, Jongen, Thiriet, Milhaud, Salzedo, Rodrigo, Moreno-Buendia,
    Tailleferre, Thomson, Jolivet, Ginastera, Berezowsky, (Gliere only if
    it is played just right), Villa-Lobos, Panufnik, to name just a handful.

    Solo composers (not including transcriptions):

    #82425
    unknown-user
    Participant

    So much wonderful material to look forward to. It’s almost overwhelming to a young student.

    I am grateful for your comment about chamber music. I often overlook that aspect of performance, and

    #82426
    unknown-user
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    Ben-Haim, Benda, Berkeley, Cabezon,
    Casadesus, Coelho, Freed, Gallon, Giuranna, Golestan, Gurov,

    #82427
    unknown-user
    Participant

    That is an excellent question, and perhaps a mystery. I have had some
    training as a composer, not a lot, but I consider myself a serious
    composer who is concentrating on harp music. I would like to study it
    intensely but circumstances do not permit it. The appearance of genius
    has so much to do with luck, it seems. Bochsa may have had some, but
    not good character. But did Mozart have good character? I think the
    harp attracts people of certain kinds over and over again. People who
    are capable of success and achievement are more likely to choose fields
    in which they can attain more or become more wealthy/successful. The
    repertoire for piano or violin attracts people to them as much as the
    instrument itself, I believe. We do have repertoire that is so
    musically challenging, that few ever play it, like Milhaud and Bax.
    Their styles are so individual, but when you know their other
    repertoire, you can grasp what they are after with the harp. But I
    didn’t grasp the Milhaud concerto until I heard the Cambreling
    recording.

    I suggest that every time you order music, buy one piece you don’t know
    at all. They are often cheap, and that’s how I’ve built my collection.
    You won’t hear much of it played, and it can take years to arrive at an
    understanding of a piece and just how to capture it. The maturing of my
    harp and my playing has made a big difference in that.

    Yes, there is much to learn and look forward to. Other musicians can be
    unreliable, so we are fortunate to have so much solo repertoire.

    I left out some composers as I was only using the Lyra catalog as a source. Dean Roush has two excellent solo pieces.

    #82428
    alexander-rider
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    I love the Bax chamber repertoire! especially the

    #82429
    carl-swanson
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    I think much of the problem with harp repertoire is that the public is so unfamiliar with it.

    #82430
    unknown-user
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    Important Repertoire
    implies establishing criteria to filter out the
    best works of art. What are the criteria? What draws me to music is
    that it extends beyond the personal preferences of any single
    individual. It is tempting to debate personal preferences for the
    purpose of establishing stronger social acceptance of those
    preferences. The underlying issue has to do with how we evaluate an
    aesthetic work. The two poles of objective vs. subjective criteria are
    the issue at hand, as is our method of applying these principles.
    Objective criteria assume that art is an ideal towards which human
    expression strives. There are universal principles demonstrated in the
    natural world that can apply objectively to human expression.
    Subjective criteria focus on the context of the expression and its role
    in the human experience. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Art
    generally falls between the two poles.

    Objective criteria for harp repertoire could include the composer���s use
    of the natural resonance and physical properties of the harp, use of
    natural patterns, cycles, principles of how objects and sounds move
    through time, etc. Many of the great works of art music are built on
    fractal patterns which are unveiled through Shenkerian Analysis. While
    these factors play an important role, context is also relevant. The
    cultural, philosophical, personal context that produces the work and
    the consequences it has on those who experience it are also a
    measure of its importance.

    To apply this in a practical manner, it would be useful for each
    contributor to qualify important repertoire. When naming a specific
    piece and/or composer including a description of why it is important
    and significant would be especially useful to all perusing this thread.
    In this way each reader can determine if that value system matches
    their own, to assist in determining what repertoire they are likely to
    consider important personally.

    #82431
    unknown-user
    Participant

    What a wonderful dissertation. I avoided enrolling at the Mannes
    College just because they required so much Schenkerian analysis, which
    I already disliked from my college exposure to it. What makes a piece
    art? Art requires imagination, I am thinking lately. I am not
    suggesting less-aspiring is not enjoyable, but there are certainly
    more-or-less discrete levels of achievement. It is clear when listening
    to guitar repertoire, so why not harp? Saint-Saens composed better
    music than Schuecker. Why? Well, he was an enormously gifted, genius
    composer. Schuecker might have been a great harpist, but a creative
    genius? Doubtful. Gifted, quite likely. One criterion to use is whether
    the music is of interest to non-harpists. Time and again I read reviews
    where the music composed by most harpists is shoved aside into a
    category requiring apology, which then tends to extend to the harp as a
    whole. We are rarely considered a primary instrument by other
    musicians, even. We have to use very good taste and judgement in
    selecting our repertoire and balancing our programs. I think a
    distinguishing factor in the music that is best tends to be the
    presence of intellect and musical thought beyond the scope of the piece
    itself, or that the piece contains hints of something much greater or
    infinite, not that it is cerebral only. Great music also touches the
    soul, something I think Elliott Carter will never do. Better music also
    tends to get the attention of critics. I know it is not a popular
    position to take. It is much easier to try to please everyone or follow
    the crowd. I know someone who suffered for having high standards not
    for her own sake, ever, but for the sake of the harp. Certainly one can
    make mistakes in judgement, but one has to make considered thought part
    of the selection process. Also, as teachers, we must weigh the value of
    the student’s limited time and what pieces they will most benefit
    from.

    #82432
    unknown-user
    Participant

    All I know about the previous is if I like it, I will listen to

    #82433
    unknown-user
    Participant

    That is a good response. Some of these issues and question come up as
    one auditions for higher education, and encounters audition
    requirements, and then, after enrollment, jury requirements, graduation
    requirements, competition requirements, debut requirements, and so on.
    And then may come the chance to shape those requirements. None of what
    I said has any bearing on playing what one wants or likes/loves to
    play. It is about more external and abstract considerations.

    #82434

    The Reinecke Harp Concerto is gorgeous! I bought the music years ago, but it is a dog’s breakfast of errors and chicken-scratch printing. There are excellent recordings, though, and I imagine that nowadays it is possible to get a better edition. Saul mentioned Saint-Saens as well. I think he might be referring to the ravishing Piece de Concert for harp and orchestra. These are both first-rate composers.

    #82435

    Oops, I meant Saint-Saens’ Morceau de Concert.

    #82436
    unknown-user
    Participant

    Zabaleta made good recordings of the Saint-Saens and Reinecke. I don’t
    like the Reinecke as well. I would like to hear the Widor Chorale et
    Variations. Why don’t you play it, Elizabeth? I have Salzedo’s markings.

    #82437

    I have never heard of the Widor Chorale and Variations! That’s why I love this forum; I learn something new every day.

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