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March 4, 2006 at 9:36 pm #82423
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ParticipantHi folks.
I was wondering what is considered to be the “necessery repetoire” that
every professional harpist is expected to know. I know that every harpist
should eventually tackle Handels Bb Concerto and The Debussy Dances, but what else
is considered indespinsable? Are there any composers that every student
should tackle, kind of like the three B’s on piano? I know of Naderman,
Dussek and Hasselmans, but who else should I try to work on?March 6, 2006 at 4:27 am #82424unknown-user
ParticipantI don’t want to repeat my discussion of standard repertoire elsewhere
in this site, but Naderman is hardly interesting enough to be
necessary, nor Hasselmans. We need to play music that is of interest to
serious listeners who are not harpists. That rules out a lot of
harpist-composers. But how will we ever agree? So many are stuck on
their love of Parish-Alvars, Zabel, Hasselmans and other such figures.
If we look at pianists, for example, most of them play masters and not
lesser figures like Moszkowski. While people are more open-minded now,
it still weakens the harp to present music that is not substantial in
content just because we are fond of it. It is wonderful to have music
to learn on by harpists of yore, but we must out-grow it, as well, if
we want to be taken seriously. And we still need to be taken seriously.
We are left out of many ensembles because we are still not seen as a
core instrument with important repertoire.Concertos I should include are Albrechtsberger, Mozart, J.C. Bach,
Handel, Wagenseil, Dussek, Spohr, Saint-Saens, Debussy, Ravel, Pierne,
Dohnanyi, Jongen, Thiriet, Milhaud, Salzedo, Rodrigo, Moreno-Buendia,
Tailleferre, Thomson, Jolivet, Ginastera, Berezowsky, (Gliere only if
it is played just right), Villa-Lobos, Panufnik, to name just a handful.Solo composers (not including transcriptions):
March 6, 2006 at 10:57 pm #82425unknown-user
ParticipantSo much wonderful material to look forward to. It’s almost overwhelming to a young student.
I am grateful for your comment about chamber music. I often overlook that aspect of performance, and
March 7, 2006 at 11:43 pm #82426unknown-user
ParticipantBen-Haim, Benda, Berkeley, Cabezon,
Casadesus, Coelho, Freed, Gallon, Giuranna, Golestan, Gurov,March 8, 2006 at 3:05 am #82427unknown-user
ParticipantThat is an excellent question, and perhaps a mystery. I have had some
training as a composer, not a lot, but I consider myself a serious
composer who is concentrating on harp music. I would like to study it
intensely but circumstances do not permit it. The appearance of genius
has so much to do with luck, it seems. Bochsa may have had some, but
not good character. But did Mozart have good character? I think the
harp attracts people of certain kinds over and over again. People who
are capable of success and achievement are more likely to choose fields
in which they can attain more or become more wealthy/successful. The
repertoire for piano or violin attracts people to them as much as the
instrument itself, I believe. We do have repertoire that is so
musically challenging, that few ever play it, like Milhaud and Bax.
Their styles are so individual, but when you know their other
repertoire, you can grasp what they are after with the harp. But I
didn’t grasp the Milhaud concerto until I heard the Cambreling
recording.I suggest that every time you order music, buy one piece you don’t know
at all. They are often cheap, and that’s how I’ve built my collection.
You won’t hear much of it played, and it can take years to arrive at an
understanding of a piece and just how to capture it. The maturing of my
harp and my playing has made a big difference in that.Yes, there is much to learn and look forward to. Other musicians can be
unreliable, so we are fortunate to have so much solo repertoire.I left out some composers as I was only using the Lyra catalog as a source. Dean Roush has two excellent solo pieces.
March 9, 2006 at 12:06 am #82428alexander-rider
ParticipantI love the Bax chamber repertoire! especially the
March 12, 2006 at 4:12 am #82429carl-swanson
ParticipantI think much of the problem with harp repertoire is that the public is so unfamiliar with it.
March 12, 2006 at 6:02 pm #82430unknown-user
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Important Repertoire implies establishing criteria to filter out the
best works of art. What are the criteria? What draws me to music is
that it extends beyond the personal preferences of any single
individual. It is tempting to debate personal preferences for the
purpose of establishing stronger social acceptance of those
preferences. The underlying issue has to do with how we evaluate an
aesthetic work. The two poles of objective vs. subjective criteria are
the issue at hand, as is our method of applying these principles.
Objective criteria assume that art is an ideal towards which human
expression strives. There are universal principles demonstrated in the
natural world that can apply objectively to human expression.
Subjective criteria focus on the context of the expression and its role
in the human experience. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Art
generally falls between the two poles.Objective criteria for harp repertoire could include the composer���s use
of the natural resonance and physical properties of the harp, use of
natural patterns, cycles, principles of how objects and sounds move
through time, etc. Many of the great works of art music are built on
fractal patterns which are unveiled through Shenkerian Analysis. While
these factors play an important role, context is also relevant. The
cultural, philosophical, personal context that produces the work and
the consequences it has on those who experience it are also a
measure of its importance.To apply this in a practical manner, it would be useful for each
contributor to qualify important repertoire. When naming a specific
piece and/or composer including a description of why it is important
and significant would be especially useful to all perusing this thread.
In this way each reader can determine if that value system matches
their own, to assist in determining what repertoire they are likely to
consider important personally.March 13, 2006 at 2:41 am #82431unknown-user
ParticipantWhat a wonderful dissertation. I avoided enrolling at the Mannes
College just because they required so much Schenkerian analysis, which
I already disliked from my college exposure to it. What makes a piece
art? Art requires imagination, I am thinking lately. I am not
suggesting less-aspiring is not enjoyable, but there are certainly
more-or-less discrete levels of achievement. It is clear when listening
to guitar repertoire, so why not harp? Saint-Saens composed better
music than Schuecker. Why? Well, he was an enormously gifted, genius
composer. Schuecker might have been a great harpist, but a creative
genius? Doubtful. Gifted, quite likely. One criterion to use is whether
the music is of interest to non-harpists. Time and again I read reviews
where the music composed by most harpists is shoved aside into a
category requiring apology, which then tends to extend to the harp as a
whole. We are rarely considered a primary instrument by other
musicians, even. We have to use very good taste and judgement in
selecting our repertoire and balancing our programs. I think a
distinguishing factor in the music that is best tends to be the
presence of intellect and musical thought beyond the scope of the piece
itself, or that the piece contains hints of something much greater or
infinite, not that it is cerebral only. Great music also touches the
soul, something I think Elliott Carter will never do. Better music also
tends to get the attention of critics. I know it is not a popular
position to take. It is much easier to try to please everyone or follow
the crowd. I know someone who suffered for having high standards not
for her own sake, ever, but for the sake of the harp. Certainly one can
make mistakes in judgement, but one has to make considered thought part
of the selection process. Also, as teachers, we must weigh the value of
the student’s limited time and what pieces they will most benefit
from.March 15, 2006 at 9:25 pm #82432unknown-user
ParticipantAll I know about the previous is if I like it, I will listen to
March 16, 2006 at 1:08 am #82433unknown-user
ParticipantThat is a good response. Some of these issues and question come up as
one auditions for higher education, and encounters audition
requirements, and then, after enrollment, jury requirements, graduation
requirements, competition requirements, debut requirements, and so on.
And then may come the chance to shape those requirements. None of what
I said has any bearing on playing what one wants or likes/loves to
play. It is about more external and abstract considerations.March 17, 2006 at 12:51 am #82434Elizabeth Volpé Bligh
ParticipantThe Reinecke Harp Concerto is gorgeous! I bought the music years ago, but it is a dog’s breakfast of errors and chicken-scratch printing. There are excellent recordings, though, and I imagine that nowadays it is possible to get a better edition. Saul mentioned Saint-Saens as well. I think he might be referring to the ravishing Piece de Concert for harp and orchestra. These are both first-rate composers.
March 17, 2006 at 7:06 am #82435Elizabeth Volpé Bligh
ParticipantOops, I meant Saint-Saens’ Morceau de Concert.
March 17, 2006 at 8:57 pm #82436unknown-user
ParticipantZabaleta made good recordings of the Saint-Saens and Reinecke. I don’t
like the Reinecke as well. I would like to hear the Widor Chorale et
Variations. Why don’t you play it, Elizabeth? I have Salzedo’s markings.March 27, 2006 at 3:31 am #82437Elizabeth Volpé Bligh
ParticipantI have never heard of the Widor Chorale and Variations! That’s why I love this forum; I learn something new every day.
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