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The Hidden Cost of Owning a Harp (aka – Horse vs. Harp)

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  • #76217
    jill-fichialos
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    My 8 year old daughter would like to learn to play the harp……

    I naively told her that it sounded like a great idea…. because I thought it would be EASY to find a harp to rent…… (not “rent-to buy”) – at least until she could prove that she was serious enough to justify buying one. Let’s just say I have been hanging around too many parents whose children play the violin!

    Silly, silly me. Now I am starting to think that the only thing crazier would have been to promise her a horse! And I also feel like I need to warn her that when she turns 16 she will have a bigger decision to make than most of her peers…. a car – or a concert grand? And that’s only if she has been saving every penny!

    So on to my question….
    After hours of research on this forum, it appears that there are a lot of “extra” expenses that are associated with being a harpist. Below is my list. Please let me know what I am missing, or what is incorrect (so I can go into this with “eyes-wide-open”, or shall I say “wallet-wide-open”).

    REQUIRED:
    Harp (lever or pedal)
    Dust cover
    Tuning key
    Electronic tuner
    *Replacement strings
    *Harp regulation (every 1 to 5 years depending on harp and usage)

    RECOMMENDED:
    *Lessons
    *Music, manuals, books
    *CD’s, MP3’s
    *Insurance
    Adjustable bench / chair
    Humidifier (dry climates) / De-humidifier (moist climates)
    Hygrometer
    Music stand
    Rug / mat

    IF YOU WANT TO PERFORM:
    Harp-mobile / car
    Harp dolly / cart
    Small light for your music stand
    Padded cover
    Portable bench / chair
    Portable music stand

    LUXURY ITEMS:
    *Multiple harps
    *Summer camps / Institutes
    Hard case
    Amplifier

    (*) These items are a continuous expense.

    So all you experienced, long-term harpist’s, what I am missing? What did I get wrong?

    Thanks!
    Jill

    P.S. The good news is that my daughter is a great kid, and there is a good chance she will be getting some harp lessons in the near future – even though this seems to be a much bigger undertaking than the flute or the violin (at least in the short-term). Luckily harps don’t eat copious amounts of hay…… (but again, I hear harps can eat copious amounts of strings!).

    #76218
    andee-craig
    Participant

    Have you been in touch with any teachers in your area yet? Don’t they have a small harp to rent to you until your daughter has had lessons for a while? Teachers often have at least an extra harp to rent. Your daughter may not stick with the harp and several months of lessons would give her an idea if it’s something she’d really enjoy or not before making the commitment to buy one.

    #76219
    jill-fichialos
    Participant

    Thanks Andee for your quick reply!
    There are not many teachers in the area, and so far those that I have spoken with either do not have rental harps, or the harps that they do rent are all spoken for. I have been pointed in the direction of the Lyon & Healy “rent to buy” program more than once….

    #76220
    deb-l
    Participant

    hi Jill, there are many rental programs, some of them have a low monthly fee, and although they are touted as rent to buy, you do not have to buy the harp, but if you do all or part of the money goes towards it. As far as your list goes, many of those things come with the harp, such as the dust cover and tuning key. Others are cheap and one time purchases that can be spread over time. Also if your daughter wants to play lever harp versus pedal harp the cost and maintenance comes down, nylon strings are cheaper than gut and break less, there are many variables. Your list looks like worst case scenario, as if she could be both a lever harp addict (guilty) and a pedal harp professional at the same time. It does not have to be as costly as your worst fears. Most of us fall in the middle, a nice little gently used pedal harp or a decent lever harp are all we require. Not all of us have big concert grands and SUVs to hall them in with multiple lever harps, matter of fact I don’t know of anyone who spends every dime on their harplust. We do tend to get carried away on this forum but this is a harp forum after all, who else would you expect to find other than the worst harp junkies here?

    #76221
    Angela Biggs
    Member

    I play lever harp, and my Required list would go more like this (I left off the items that are performance-related):

    REQUIRED:
    Harp (I don’t need a dust cover because my harp doesn’t have complicated carvings where dust can be trapped)
    Tuning key (should come with the harp)
    ~Electronic tuner
    Music stand (I’ve tried to play with the music propped on a bed or desk, and it’s horrible. Make this a sturdy folding one like the Peak stand, and you’ll only need one)
    ~Hygrometer
    Humidifier and dehumidifier (I live n the northeast – wet in the summer, dry in the winter)
    Bench/chair (again, make this portable and you’ll only need one)
    *~Music
    *Replacement strings
    *Harp regulation (every year; with a lever harp I can do this myself)

    “~” Are items you can get inexpensively.
    Since your daughter is young, I would also add lessons to her Required list.

    If you’re looking for rental harps, try the [Atlanta Harp Center](http://stores.atlantaharpcenter.com/-strse-template/harprentals/Page.bok) and the [Virginia Harp Center](http://www.vaharpcenter.com/displayHarps.php?dsp=lever&ty=rental). I *think* they do out-of-state rentals. If you’re going to start with a lever harp and aren’t stuck on getting one that feels like a pedal harp, [Stoney End](http://www.stoneyend.com/_downloads/SE%20Rental%20plan.pdf) also has a rental/rent-to-own program.

    How very exciting for your daughter! I hope that your effort pays off in many years of enjoyment for both of you — and rest assured that your ears are going to have a much easier time than your violin-parent friends’. 🙂 My mother still misses my inept but determined piano practicing; I think if I had been playing the harp at that point, she never would have gotten over me leaving the house. . . .

    #76222
    Angela Biggs
    Member

    Woops! How could I forget that [The Harp Connection](http://www.harpconnection.com/LeverRentalProgram.html) also rents harps? They will ship a harp to a renter.

    #76223
    Sherj DeSantis
    Participant

    Jill,
    We might be able to help you find a rental if we had a general idea about where you are, not specific. I couldn’t ask you privately because there was no shared e-mail on your profile. There is, in my opinion, a subtle advantage to playing the harp over violin. (I know, you didn’t ask…) Harp students seem to stand out in their peers eyes, as doing something special since there aren’t very many of them. There are of course the ones who taunt them as well, but the young people around me have a different level of confidence, and I believe that is particularly important in this day and age. Sorry to digress from the purpose of your post, but I wanted to throw that in.
    Also, all those expenses you note, don’t have to come overnight. They come in stages, so the burden isn’t that great all at once. Years ago, I was sitting outside my young daughter’s flute teacher’s house as she had a lesson, and was speaking to a mother, waiting for her older daughter to come out. I made the comment to her, at least our daughters aren’t playing the piano, how expensive is that? She looked at me and said, you haven’t priced flutes have you? At the time, a low/mid end flute for a serious student at a music program, was $35,000.00. (I haven’t had to price them in 8 years or so.) I just want you to know, a concert harp just might cost you a little less…is your wallet feeling better now? (smile)
    Anyway, if you want to share a general location, we all might be able to help you with a harp rental. Warmest regards, Sherj

    #76224
    diana-day
    Participant

    Having had both horses and harps, I can offer my two cents on the hidden costs, but I believe you were just raising the idea of buying a horse for the sake of comparison. Anyway, here’s a look at the bright side of things. Granted, harps can be costly depending on how far you pursue your training. Horses, on the other hand, can cost you a bundle whether you go with a top trainer or not. One colic surgery can cost more than a harp car, for instance….and with a harp you don’t have to worry about having any emergency trips to the vet school! Best wishes for your harp journey with your daughter.

    #76225
    diane-michaels
    Spectator

    Don’t know if this provides comfort, maybe just perspective: many items you list are not harp-specific.
    REQUIRED:
    Instrument
    Electronic tuner
    *Replacement strings
    Basic maintenance/repairs

    RECOMMENDED:
    *Lessons
    *Music, manuals, books
    *CD’s, MP3’s
    *Insurance
    Humidifier (dry climates) / De-humidifier (moist climates)
    Hygrometer
    Music stand

    IF YOU WANT TO PERFORM:
    Small light for your music stand
    Portable music stand

    LUXURY ITEMS:
    *Multiple instruments
    *Summer camps / Institutes
    Better travel case
    Amplifier and pick-up

    #76226
    Sherj DeSantis
    Participant

    Harps in general, outlive horses as well. (I am not trying to negate the fact that horses are living creatures that can love and be loved by their humans, just that a pedal harp is more of a one or two time purchase during your life, and can then be passed on to another.) I think in general harps are welcomed in apartments, houses, etc. A horse might not be. So now you have to build a barn….just trying to inject a little humor here……I do however have friends that play violin. In general, when you strum a harp that’s in tune, you get a great sound from the start. Glisses are very inspiring! The violin requires about 5 years for a young person to acquire a level of proficiency, and maybe that’s why so many give up so quickly as young students, per a friend who is a strings public school teacher. Maybe harp is a perfect fit for her!

    #76227
    Philippa mcauliffe
    Participant

    Instruments sort of pick their players. If the harp is the one that speaks to her she probably will not be persuaded onto a flute or a violin. And the cost of many is very high at the higher levels for all instruments whereas a lot of amateur harpists play the same harps as professionals do and whilst that is costly at the start by amateur standards you get an instrument that has great potential! Mum says she is delighted my harp is not a horse and she had horses when she was young!

    #76228
    vanderbilt-music
    Participant

    Depending on your location, Vanderbilt Music Company also does a rental program. A cost to consider is shipping and return shipping, when thinking about from where to rent your harp. It’s also nice to have a representative close by in case anything happens :). We serve the greater Midwest area, and offer rental, direct purchase, rent-to-own, and consignment. Check us out if you’re interested! http://www.vanderbiltmusic.com

    #76229
    tony-morosco
    Participant

    REQUIRED:
    Harp (lever or pedal)
    Dust cover
    Tuning key
    Electronic tuner
    *Replacement strings
    *Harp regulation (every 1 to 5 years depending on harp and usage)

    Every harp maker I ever heard of provides a tuning key so that is not an extra expense.

    You don’t need a dust cover. It’s nice, but you don’t need one. Most of the more expenseive harps (pedal harps, higher quality lever harps) come with some kind of a case or padded cover. If not and you really feel the need for a dust cover thow an old sheet over it when not being played.

    An electronic tuner is recommended, but not required. A tuning fork (or other note reference) and patience is all that is needed. If she has a cell phone chances are she can download a free tuning app, which is what I use more these days and my stand alone electronic tuners mostly collect dust (maybe I need a dust cover for my tuners?).

    Almost every thing else except strings and maintaniance are things that you can add over time as needed. Fun From the First Vol I and II are very inexpensive ($10 each) and will keep her busy for a while.

    Keep in mind that most of the other things you list will apply to almost all instruments. No matter what you play you have to, over time, collect sheet music, have a music stand, get lessons, have maintainanence, etc…

    An overhaul on my basic fooling around flute can cost $100 to $200, which I need to do every year. If you move up to a hand made flute you may need to get a complete overhaul every 3 to 5 years, which seems like a lot of time, but it can be very expenseive. Over $1000.

    I only need to get my pedal harp regulated every two years or so, and it costs $300.

    So maintanance on even my cheap flute costs the same or more than my pedal harp.

    The big cost for a harp are the strings. Even inexpensive options for restringing a pedal harp are not cheap, and even if you can get away with restringing every other year thats a few hundred more, plus keeping extra strings on hand in case one breaks.

    However, while the strings on my guitars are much fewer and much less expensive, they need to be changed almost every month. My estimation for completely restringing a Concert Grand would be $420 (less for smaller harps with less strings, and even less for harps that are typically strung with all nylon strings). If you’re not playing professionally you can easily get away with only doing that every other year, so $210 a year.

    Not bad. I spend about $180 per year on guitar strings for my 3 guitars. If you only had one guitar and restrung only every month you can get away with between $60 to $75 a year depending on the type of strings you use. I spend about $60 on my acoustic, $85 on my good electric, and $48 on my beater electric.

    So harp strings are a big expense and higher than most other stringed instruments, but even with a guitar you would still be shelling out some bucks.

    The big deal with the harp is the initial expense. For what you need to spend for even a basic, lower end concert grand you could get a pretty freaking amazing violin.

    #76230
    diana-lincoln
    Participant

    Hi! I can really appreciate the thought you are putting into your preparations and the great advice everyone has offered. My addition to this discussion includes thoughts about the everyday ins and outs. Think about where the harp will be in your home. A spot where she can quietly play but easy to get to several times a day. A spot where the harp can be moved to the car without climbing stairs and bumping furniture. A spot where younger siblings won’t also “practice” her harp. Also consider finding a group of harp kids who play together even once a month. Sometimes it can seem lonely unless you have a gathering or cohort to look forward to. As you know, kids are so social and want to belong. That means you, and other like minded parents, turning into the harp equals of soccer and ballet moms. Good luck with all of this. Let me end by saying I’ve really never met more wonderful people than those I’ve met in my harp circle of friends.

    #76231
    Gretchen Cover
    Participant

    Wow, you guys are overwhelming Jill. Let’s get down to something really basic: The 8 year old who wants to play. Has she actually touched a harp or given it a try?

    If she really, really wants to learn, I would suggest having her go for a couple introductory lessons (presuming there is a harpist where you live – we do not know that), If she still wants to put the effort into this, I would make the daughter to commit to trying for a set period of time – maybe three months or six months. I would in conjunction with the teacher find a suitable harp to rent.

    The things I would buy is music stand, tuner, and adjustable stool or chair. Children grow a lot and it is critical to have a bench/chair/stool at the proper height. A small harp can be wrapped in a blanket for moving. I would not get carried away with a lot of extras until you know the student is going to stick with the harp. You can buy extra strings for the octaves that break a lot or are critical for practice. The lessons and harp rental will be the big expenses.

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