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  • #300111
    Lily-White
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    Hi,

    Has anybody ever heard about humidifiers made especially for harps?

    I can only find humidifiers for guitars, etc. Maybe they work for harps as well? I’m getting a rental harp next week and want to take good care of it. I want to keep the harp in the room, covered by the dust bag, when I don’t play. Maybe I could put a humidifier for guitars under the dust bag?

    Some people say it isn’t necessary to use use humidifiers, but I live in a cold country and I am convinced that humidification is necessary. I don’t want to use a humidifier for the whole room, I want something smaller, just for the harp. Something with cold water, those with steamy hot water could harm the harp (droplets!). At least that is what my logic says…

    I’m all new to this, so I would be very grateful to hear how other people deal with this. Thank you! 🙂

    #300112

    I am a crazy plant lover so I keep my harp near my plants. My plants have gravel trays for humidity. Hence, my humidity during winter is spot on perfect. Just a thought if you are a plant lover.

    #300115
    charles-nix
    Participant

    The largest danger to harps is changing humidity, not the exact level. If you stay low winter and summer, as in arid areas, keeping to 20-30% can be fine. What you don’t want is 80-90% one week, and 10% the next, which can happen in some areas (like the southern US around last Christmas).

    I think that your first step is a good quality humidity monitor, under the bag with the harp. Then see what you need to do. The cold water droplets leave white dust from minerals everywhere, and do dispense droplets. They also cool the air as they evaporate. Steam comes off as a gas, and stays as a gas. The minerals stay in the water. But it takes energy to boil the water. But then it takes the same energy to evaporate the cool mist. The air is just reheated by your heating system.

    Higher humidity so much reduces the need for heating to feel comfortable that we went with whole house some years ago. No more dry nose, fewer colds, lower utility overall. One of the best things we ever did.

    I think that any method needs the capacity to hold humidity at a desired level. It is hard to imagine any passive evaporation system doing very much, whether under a harp bag or not. And every time the cover comes off, you’re back to what is in the room. We leave plant trays under our orchids also–it helps some, but in an open room and house, not much, unless you have a _lot_ of plant trays.

    #300126
    Lily-White
    Participant

    Thank you for your answers!

    Sounds lovely with all those plants, unfortunately I’m allergic, so I have to find another solution. Thanks for sharing anyway! 🙂

    And thank you @CHARLES-NIX! Unfortunately I can’t use the steaming humidifiers. I have understood that the guitar humidifiers work well for guitars. And I assume they take them off when they play, like we take the dust bag off… But I’m anything but and expert! I’ll have to think about this. 🙂

    #300129
    Gregg Bailey
    Participant

    Hi, Lily,

    I’ve been using ultrasonic humidifiers in the room where I keep my harps, and I only ever use distilled water in them so as to not build up minerals in the units or on the objects in the room. I have a couple of hygrometers in different areas of the room, and I recently bought an ultrasonic humidifier that has a built-in humidistat for the ability to set the desired target humidity, which my previous units did not have. It’s often so dry in my area that I prefer the 2-gallon models, as they go through water very fast to keep this room within the target humidity range, which I try to keep around 45-55% relative humidity. In doing so, I rarely have to change a broken string, even with so many harps!

    By the way, Ravenna harps are made of more economical laminated wood and are therefore not nearly as sensitive to humidity changes as solid-wood harps are, so the room’s humidity level may not be quite as critical for that Ravenna you’ll be renting. If anyone else here has any more thoughts on that, please share!

    By the way, as I’ve read somewhere, harps are meant to be looked at and admired when not being played, as opposed to being kept hidden under a dust cover or in a case. I routinely use a Swiffer duster on my harps.

    I hope some of this helps!

    -Gregg

    #300130
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    You need to humidify the whole room, not just the harp, which would be very difficult to do. You don’t need to cover it when you are not using it. The humidifier you use should put out invisible humidified air. It should not look like steam or vapor. If the air coming out of the humidifier is invisible, then you can put the humidifier right next to the harp and have it blowing directly on the harp. It won’t cause any damage, and the humidity will be highest close to the humidifier. The farther you get from the humidifier the lower the humidity will be. Harps don’t dry out instantly. It takes time, and the damage that can occur from too dry air usually shows up at the end of the winter. If the room where the harp is is fairly large, I would buy a humidifier that holds 6 gallons of cold water or more and keep it running all the time.

    #300132
    Lily-White
    Participant

    Hi,

    Thank you @GREGGBAILEY and @CARL-SWANSON for your replies!

    There seems to be a lot of different views on this humidifier subject… I have a lot of allergies and other stuff and so far I have been much better without humidifiers with steam.

    I will receive my rental RAVENNA on Friday. And already in advance I have thought about what a pity it is to cover her up when I don’t play. Harps don’t only have a heavenly sound, they are also so beautiful to look at! I would like to be able to see my harp when I don’t play – it’s nourishing to the soul…
    So it made me so happy to hear that you don’t cover your harps up! 🙂

    And thank you for sharing your experiences about humidifiers!

    – Lily

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by Lily-White.
    #300134
    balfour-knight
    Participant

    Lily, I agree with all that has been posted. Don’t cover the harp, and do humidify the whole room the harp is in. But check your humidity level first, before you try to change anything. You may not need to add humidity! Ideally, I keep my house between 40 and 60 percent humidity, and usually aim for 50%. Good luck!

    Harp Hugs,
    Balfour

    #300137
    Lily-White
    Participant

    I’ll do exactly that! 🙂

    Thank you Balfour and everyone else who has responded, it has been very helpful!

    – Lily

    #300141
    Gregg Bailey
    Participant

    Hi, Carl,

    Where can such a humidifier be purchased? I’ve never seen a type which humidifies invisibly; that sounds fascinating! What are some specific brands that you know of that make such a humidifier, and what do you look for on the packaging to know whether a particular humidifier is of this type?

    Thank you,

    Gregg

    #300159
    billooms
    Participant

    The one I use is an AireCare Space Saver humidifier with a 5 gallon capacity. You can buy one at hardware stores, home supply stores (Home Depot, Lowes, etc) or online. I have it set to 40% year round. I fill it every other day in the winter months and in the dryer early summer months (I’m in Northern Arizona). These kind of humidifiers use air flow around a wick material so they don’t spew water droplets. I find that humidified air is better on my allergies.

    #300162
    charles-nix
    Participant

    They are usually marketed as “console humidifiers” and the larger ones look like a piece of furniture. The wicks will need replacing depending on the hardness of your water.

    You can also do a similar thing for a whole house if you have a forced air HVAC system. Aprilaire is the largest brand for those. Or Honeywell and Carrier make a model for central forced air that is water vapor evaporated by electricity directly–no droplets for that kind either. I’ve had the Carrier unit for years; it is rated at 30+ gal per day if that much is needed. During the “polar vortex” just before Christmas, it ran much of the time, but kept the whole house at 50%.

    A church I was working in at the same time was running at 5%. That church used to have central humidification, but didn’t fix it when it broke years ago. Too expensive. I wonder how expensive it will seem when they have to replace the soundboard and pinblock in their 9′ Steinway, let alone repair the $2M pipe organ. A couple of years ago, a customer had well over $100,000 damage to an organ from low humidity when a polar vortex came through–and someone turned up the heat to make the building “feel” comfortable–and that part of the organ was in the back of the room at the top of the balcony. It passed 95 degrees in the organ, and the windchest had splits you could put a finger into that were once solid wood.

    #300163
    Lily-White
    Participant

    Thank you Billooms! Interesting!

    I have a lot of questions, if you don’t mind…

    – Do you use distilled water or tap water?
    – Does it heat the water?
    – Can you see the steam?
    – Do you clean it properly every time before you fill it up? (microbes…)
    – Are there chemicals involved (e.g. to avoid mold)? Personally I prefer not to use chemicals…

    Sorry for all the questions. I have a tendency to complicate things for myself and others… 😀

    – Lily

    #300170
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Hi Gregg,

    The gist of the type of humidifier I am talking about is that there is a reservoir of unheated water that is absorbed into some kind of absorbent material, and there is a fan blowing on that soaking wet material, thereby evaporating the water into the air. I have a large living room and I keep two such humidifiers running all winter. Each one holds about 7 gallons of water, and there is an absorbent belt that rotates through the reservoir of water and then comes up in front of the fan. When it is really cold out and very dry, I have to fill both humidifiers every two or three days. The two that I have are both at least 30 years old! I have to put a couple of drops of sewing machine oil in each motor at the beginning of each season, and then they run fine all winter long. Charles and Bill are much more versed in this than I am. I would look for the type of machine they each talk about.

    #300186
    billooms
    Participant

    Lily — I use tap water. If you have hard water, the filters will clog up sooner and require replacing more often. (The encrusted wick material won’t draw up the water at some point). The one’s that we’re talking about do not heat the water as Carl explained, so there is no visible steam. I clean mine every month and replace the filter every 2-3 months (your mileage may vary). I add an anti-bacterial (made for this kind of humidifier) about once a week. If you don’t want to do that, you might choose to clean the filter more often.

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