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  • #103845
    Jerusha Amado
    Participant

    Hi all,

    I guess I’m here to complain…just received a mass email from a staff member of one of the prominent resorts in the city looking for a musician to play three hours for a Thanksgiving Day buffet.

    #103846
    unknown-user
    Participant

    I don’t think some people have any IDEA how much harpists get paid! I have a gig for 2 hours for $75, underpaid but I need the money and I’m only a student.

    — Natalie

    #103847
    kay-lister
    Member

    Did you tell them that you would play, but here’s my rate?

    #103848
    Jerusha Amado
    Participant

    Hi Natalie and Kay,

    They made it clear that price was non negotiable.

    #103849
    unknown-user
    Participant

    My teacher went to a restaurant that told her they consider all employees equal and therefore pay the musicians as they pay the waiters! My teacher walked out and I don’t blame her, minimum wage for years of training?!

    — Natalie

    #103850

    Even worse, minimum wage for tipped emplyees is 2 something an hour.

    #103851

    And did any of you see this posting for a wedding harpist?

    http://www.harpcolumn.com/forum/message-view?message%5fid=23581906

    #103852
    Jerusha Amado
    Participant

    Hi Jennifer,

    I didn’t see this posting.

    #103853
    Jerusha Amado
    Participant

    Hi Natalie,

    I’m glad that your teacher sets appropriate standards for herself.

    #103854
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    I wonder if it is worth trying to educate the potential client about pricing. If I were a working harpist, I think my approach would be to emphasize that TIME IS MONEY. In other words, let the client know that, from the moment that you start loading your equipment into the car for the gig to the moment when you are home again and everything is unloaded, the amount of time involved is____ hours. So it doesn’t matter to you if you have to play one song or the whole service, the time involved is the same.

    Maybe the way to price these jobs is to start by telling the client how much time is involved, as described above, and that you charge X dollars per hour. Not per hour of playing time, but per hour of time taken up for the whole gig. And give them a low hourly figure: maybe $45 or $50 per hour. Then, explain that there is an equipment rental fee on top of that. The harp, music stand, bench, amplifier, etc. are charged separately at X dollars for the job. Maybe breaking the whole thing down into smaller bits that they can understand will 1) Make your fee look logical and reasonable, and 2) make their offer of $100 for ‘one song’ look idiotic, without coming out and saying it.

    #103855
    Evelyn Tournquist
    Participant

    Don’t you think that education starts with the musician? Everyone complains about low pay yet there is always someone willing to take the job.

    Why make a fuss if you’re going to take a two hour job for $75.00 and then try and justify this by saying you need the money or you are a student. No matter what the excuse or supposed mitigating circumstances, it is this behavior that has been a major contributing factor to the public perception of what a musician is worth.

    Quite simply, if you are being payed less, it is because you have agreed to work for less.

    #103856
    Dwyn .
    Participant

    Any

    #103857
    Evelyn Tournquist
    Participant

    My Dear Dwyn,

    First of all, we are not speaking of skill level as that is not relevant to the discussion and has no bearing on what people are willing to pay for you anyway.

    Secondly, your shoe analogy doesn’t make sense because… everyone buys shoes. Economic theories notwithstanding, harpists have always been a niche market within a niche market – unique.

    Thirdly, your comment that a harpist playing a low paying gig may help create demand for more harpists is completely erroneous as this is exactly what is driving down the market. Once the price goes down your perceived value drops and the price will never go up again.

    Let’s look at a wedding and make a comparative analysis. Consider what is being paid for the gown, the venue, cake, food, flowers, photos, entertainment etc. against what you, the musician, are being paid assuming you are collecting your regular fee.

    The musician is almost always the lowest paid item in the budget, yet people will fork over unbelievable sums for almost everything else. Why is this? The answer is: Perceived Value.

    Somehow, the cake has become the star attraction at receptions and is displayed as a work of art – brilliant, huh? Perceived Value

    DJ’s have now been elevated to celebrity status and can rake in tremendous fees, why? Perceived Value.

    The illustrations are endless.

    You paint broad strokes of the laws of economics but fail to realize that we are the fine print. We exist in a micromarket and, as such, are subject to the effect of each ripple created in our tiny pond.

    #103858
    carl-swanson
    Participant

    Dwyn- I have to disagree with you on this. Firstly, the vast majority of people(brides) who hire a harpist assume that a harpist is a harpist is a harpist, meaning that they all play exactly the same way. Remember, this is probably the only time any of these people have hired a musician or ever will. Secondly, that two hour gig, under the best of circumstances(the church is 5 minutes from the harpists house) is going to take a total of 4 hours to do. So that harpist is going to earn less than a cleaning lady for the same amount of time, AND, has to lay out money for gas, insurance, upkeep on the harp and car, wardrobe, plus put in extra hours just to be able to play the instrument. So in fact, the harpist who is playing a 2 hour gig for $75 is at best playing for maybe $10 an hour in terms of profit. And once the harpist or harpists in any given area start playing gigs for that money, then that becomes the norm. Everyone will expect to pay that amount. If playing the harp professionally has come to this-$75 for a two hour gig- then it’s time to retrain for some other profession, because anyone doing this to make a living is on a downward economic spiral.

    #103859
    David Ice
    Participant

    If I may weigh in here with Carl and Evelyn, I agree.

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