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November 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm #103845
Jerusha Amado
ParticipantHi all,
I guess I’m here to complain…just received a mass email from a staff member of one of the prominent resorts in the city looking for a musician to play three hours for a Thanksgiving Day buffet.
November 5, 2011 at 8:40 pm #103846unknown-user
ParticipantI don’t think some people have any IDEA how much harpists get paid! I have a gig for 2 hours for $75, underpaid but I need the money and I’m only a student.
— Natalie
November 5, 2011 at 8:46 pm #103847kay-lister
MemberDid you tell them that you would play, but here’s my rate?
November 5, 2011 at 8:56 pm #103848Jerusha Amado
ParticipantHi Natalie and Kay,
They made it clear that price was non negotiable.
November 6, 2011 at 2:31 am #103849unknown-user
ParticipantMy teacher went to a restaurant that told her they consider all employees equal and therefore pay the musicians as they pay the waiters! My teacher walked out and I don’t blame her, minimum wage for years of training?!
— Natalie
November 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm #103850jennifer-buehler
MemberEven worse, minimum wage for tipped emplyees is 2 something an hour.
November 6, 2011 at 12:26 pm #103851jennifer-buehler
MemberAnd did any of you see this posting for a wedding harpist?
http://www.harpcolumn.com/forum/message-view?message%5fid=23581906
November 6, 2011 at 3:26 pm #103852Jerusha Amado
ParticipantHi Jennifer,
I didn’t see this posting.
November 6, 2011 at 3:29 pm #103853Jerusha Amado
ParticipantHi Natalie,
I’m glad that your teacher sets appropriate standards for herself.
November 6, 2011 at 4:27 pm #103854carl-swanson
ParticipantI wonder if it is worth trying to educate the potential client about pricing. If I were a working harpist, I think my approach would be to emphasize that TIME IS MONEY. In other words, let the client know that, from the moment that you start loading your equipment into the car for the gig to the moment when you are home again and everything is unloaded, the amount of time involved is____ hours. So it doesn’t matter to you if you have to play one song or the whole service, the time involved is the same.
Maybe the way to price these jobs is to start by telling the client how much time is involved, as described above, and that you charge X dollars per hour. Not per hour of playing time, but per hour of time taken up for the whole gig. And give them a low hourly figure: maybe $45 or $50 per hour. Then, explain that there is an equipment rental fee on top of that. The harp, music stand, bench, amplifier, etc. are charged separately at X dollars for the job. Maybe breaking the whole thing down into smaller bits that they can understand will 1) Make your fee look logical and reasonable, and 2) make their offer of $100 for ‘one song’ look idiotic, without coming out and saying it.
November 6, 2011 at 6:42 pm #103855Evelyn Tournquist
ParticipantDon’t you think that education starts with the musician? Everyone complains about low pay yet there is always someone willing to take the job.
Why make a fuss if you’re going to take a two hour job for $75.00 and then try and justify this by saying you need the money or you are a student. No matter what the excuse or supposed mitigating circumstances, it is this behavior that has been a major contributing factor to the public perception of what a musician is worth.
Quite simply, if you are being payed less, it is because you have agreed to work for less.
November 7, 2011 at 2:51 am #103856Dwyn .
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November 7, 2011 at 12:26 pm #103857Evelyn Tournquist
ParticipantMy Dear Dwyn,
First of all, we are not speaking of skill level as that is not relevant to the discussion and has no bearing on what people are willing to pay for you anyway.
Secondly, your shoe analogy doesn’t make sense because… everyone buys shoes. Economic theories notwithstanding, harpists have always been a niche market within a niche market – unique.
Thirdly, your comment that a harpist playing a low paying gig may help create demand for more harpists is completely erroneous as this is exactly what is driving down the market. Once the price goes down your perceived value drops and the price will never go up again.
Let’s look at a wedding and make a comparative analysis. Consider what is being paid for the gown, the venue, cake, food, flowers, photos, entertainment etc. against what you, the musician, are being paid assuming you are collecting your regular fee.
The musician is almost always the lowest paid item in the budget, yet people will fork over unbelievable sums for almost everything else. Why is this? The answer is: Perceived Value.
Somehow, the cake has become the star attraction at receptions and is displayed as a work of art – brilliant, huh? Perceived Value
DJ’s have now been elevated to celebrity status and can rake in tremendous fees, why? Perceived Value.
The illustrations are endless.
You paint broad strokes of the laws of economics but fail to realize that we are the fine print. We exist in a micromarket and, as such, are subject to the effect of each ripple created in our tiny pond.
November 7, 2011 at 12:37 pm #103858carl-swanson
ParticipantDwyn- I have to disagree with you on this. Firstly, the vast majority of people(brides) who hire a harpist assume that a harpist is a harpist is a harpist, meaning that they all play exactly the same way. Remember, this is probably the only time any of these people have hired a musician or ever will. Secondly, that two hour gig, under the best of circumstances(the church is 5 minutes from the harpists house) is going to take a total of 4 hours to do. So that harpist is going to earn less than a cleaning lady for the same amount of time, AND, has to lay out money for gas, insurance, upkeep on the harp and car, wardrobe, plus put in extra hours just to be able to play the instrument. So in fact, the harpist who is playing a 2 hour gig for $75 is at best playing for maybe $10 an hour in terms of profit. And once the harpist or harpists in any given area start playing gigs for that money, then that becomes the norm. Everyone will expect to pay that amount. If playing the harp professionally has come to this-$75 for a two hour gig- then it’s time to retrain for some other profession, because anyone doing this to make a living is on a downward economic spiral.
November 7, 2011 at 3:11 pm #103859David Ice
ParticipantIf I may weigh in here with Carl and Evelyn, I agree.
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